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Why Energy Stocks Are Down When They Should Be Up with Bob Brackett | The Real Eisman Playbook Ep 60
The Real Eisman Playbook
· · 1 hr 23 min · Hosts: Steve Eisman · Guests: Bob Brackett
Summary
Bob Brackett argues that energy stocks are mispriced because the market is focused on near-term oil weakness and underweighting the scale of the supply shock from the Iran conflict. He says the closure of the Strait of Hormuz has taken about 20% of global oil flows and 20% of natural gas flows at risk, while inventories are being drained fast enough that the sector should eventually command a higher midcycle price and a higher risk premium.
He explains why Exxon and other integrated names can lag even when oil is near $100 a barrel: the forward curve is still implying lower prices later, so investors may not trust current spot prices to persist. Brackett says the group he likes most is the gas space, where rising electricity demand, AI data centers, and coal retirements make natural gas a direct beneficiary. He highlights EQT and Expand Energy as the clearest pure-play gas names.
On metals, he is constructive on copper over a multi-year horizon because the world keeps needing more supply while new deposits get harder to find. But he is cautious near term because tariff fears and U.S. stockpiling may be distorting the market. He also sees lithium as vulnerable if new brine extraction from oil-field waters and Appalachia works at scale.
Key takeaways
- Bob Brackett says the Iran shock is larger than Ukraine in barrels removed, but energy stocks are still lagging because markets expect the disruption to be fixed.
- He believes the forward curve near $75 next year is the main reason Exxon and peers have not rallied with spot oil near $100.
- Brackett is most positive on natural gas because AI data centers, electrification, and coal retirements should lift electricity demand.
- He points to EQT and Expand Energy as the cleanest large-cap gas beneficiaries because they are dedicated dry-gas producers.
- He is bullish on copper over several years, but he thinks tariff-driven U.S. stockpiling may be flattering the market short term.
- He warns lithium investors that oil-field brines and Appalachian resources could create a new low-cost supply source.
Notable quotes
“the fact that oil prices go up. I mean, I sort of know how models work”
“the forward curve is was never built to be a predictor of oil price”
“long whatever AI needs, short whatever AI can do”
“natural gas demand should be increasing”
“There is no equivalent technology in you can't frack for copper, right”
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Topics
- energy stocks
- oil prices
- forward curve
- opec
- energy demand ai
Companies and tickers mentioned
- XOM
- EOG
- Bernstein
- Exxon
- EOG
- L&G
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