Episode summary
How to Keep More of Your Investment Gains
Bangers Only Podcast
· · Hosts: Bangers Only Podcast · Guests: Brent Sullivan
Summary
Brent Sullivan argues that tax efficiency is becoming a core part of portfolio construction, not a niche concern for wealthy investors. He says advisors and individual investors alike are increasingly looking at product selection through the lens of tax cost, because the key question is not just what you make, but what you keep after taxes.
He highlights three year-end moves for 2025: tax-loss harvesting, reviewing taxable distributions and estimated payments, and completing gifting decisions before deadlines. He then explains why ETFs are usually more tax efficient than mutual funds, pointing to in-kind redemptions and the ability to defer capital gains without forced portfolio sales.
The conversation also covers newer income-oriented ETF structures, especially covered call and single-stock strategies, where return of capital can be tax-efficient but also destructive if NAV keeps falling. Sullivan stresses that investors must track basis adjustments carefully and place strategies in the right account type. He closes by describing 351 conversions as a way to transition appreciated holdings into new ETF structures without immediately triggering tax.
Key takeaways
- Brent Sullivan says tax-loss harvesting, estimated payments, and gifting are the main year-end tax moves investors should review before 2025 closes.
- Sullivan says U.S. equity ETFs are generally more tax efficient than mutual funds because they can redeem in kind and avoid forced capital gains distributions.
- He warns that return of capital is only attractive when NAV holds up; otherwise, “destructive return of capital” can erode principal.
- Sullivan says investors must manually track basis reductions when funds distribute return of capital, because custodians may not do it automatically.
- He expects 351 conversions to keep growing as a tax-deferred way to move appreciated portfolios into new ETF strategies.
Notable quotes
“a 351 conversion is the ability to seed a new ETF in kind, not just with cash, but with other securities”
How the episode opens
Welcome to the Bangers Only podcast, where Tom Leiden and his band of experts make money talk exciting. Here's your host, Tom Leen. Welcome to the Bangers Only podcast.
Life is short. We got to keep things simple. Use your time to focus on what's most important.
That's what Bangers Only is all about. I'm Tom Len and joining me today is Brent Sullivan, who's the founder of Tax Alpha Insider. Brent, welcome.
Great having you. Oh, happy to be here, Tom, and talking about Tax Alpha all day, all long. Well, what is Tax Alpha and and what kind of what's the whole mission behind T tax alpha insider?
So, I write nuanced content for high net worth and ultra high net worth advisors primarily. And so oftentimes I'll have folks come through who want to read it for their own purposes, but it's a blog dedicated to product strategy and wealth management planning for high net worth and ultra high net worth focused in the taxaware space. Okay.
So is this only for rich people or can we run through some things today that the average investor probably should know and and it may pay for them in the years to come? Oh yeah, 100%. Yeah, there's a ton of stuff that investors should just be aware of when they're selecting products that can improve their tax efficiency, try to make that number at the end of the year or the tax liability go down a little bit.
And I got to say, after following you for a while, subscribing to your blog, um, you do this in a very unique way. You find a way to have fun with the whole subject around taxes. When did that whole whole thing start?
Because taxes tend not to be that fun and exciting.
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Topics
- tax efficiency
- etfs vs mutual funds
- 351 conversions
- options overlay strategies
- tax-loss harvesting
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Tax Alpha Insider
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