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AI Bosses Risk Clash With Wall Street and Trump Over Safety | Bloomberg Intelligence
Summary
AI leaders are trying to frame a slowdown in frontier model development as a safety measure, but the transcript argues that nothing material has been pulled back yet. The host and a guest from Bloomberg’s technology team say Anthropic and OpenAI are largely planting a flag, with no concrete commitment to stop pre-training, cut data-center spending, or delay releases. The tension is that the Trump administration wants rapid AI expansion to support growth, the stock market, and its political agenda, even as public sentiment and security breaches raise alarms.
An investor-focused guest from Athena Capital says the best AI opportunities are not in the headline LLM names but in the “middle layer” of tools that make models cheaper and more usable. She argues that capital is still flowing into AI because companies can invest in infrastructure, compression, and efficiency even if frontier-model growth slows. She also says startups are still exploring IPOs, SPACs, and direct listings, with demand for tech listings intact despite a long IPO drought.
The episode also covers travel and leisure credit. Bloomberg Intelligence says Royal Caribbean’s liquidity and strong bookings support expansion plans, while higher rates and inflation are pressuring financing and consumer behavior. In theme parks, BI says 2026 attendance trends for Six Flags and United Parks look weaker, with lower-income visitors feeling gas and goods inflation and international travel still soft.
A final segment turns to Mark Walter’s web of sports, insurance, and financing ties, where Bloomberg reports regulators are examining affiliated investments routed through intermediaries. The host and a Bloomberg Wealth editor say Magic Johnson is linked through business and insurance relationships, though he is not accused of wrongdoing.
Key takeaways
- The host and Sarah Frier say Anthropic and OpenAI are talking about slowing AI, but have not made concrete cuts to training, spending, or launches.
- Sarah Frier says the Trump administration sees faster AI growth as central to economic and stock-market performance, even as public concern rises.
- Isabelle Freidheim says the best AI investing opportunity is the “middle layer” between data centers and LLMs, not betting on which model wins.
- Jody Lurie says Royal Caribbean’s $6.9 billion of liquidity and strong bookings support expansion, even with higher rates and inflation.
- BI says Six Flags and United Parks may see weaker 2026 attendance, with lower-income consumers and softer international visitation weighing on demand.
Notable quotes
“Nothing has been slowed down. In fact, if you if you read that 3,800word manifesto, there's not really a lot of concrete uh commitment”
“It is so central to to Trump's agenda that the that these AI companies continue to grow at the pace that they're growing”
“we particularly like the layer that exists between data centers and LLMs”
“we are now investing in when you invest in an LLM, you're really underwriting the technology”
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Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts or watch us live on YouTube. What's happening this week is very much a continuation of this now debate uh among AI bosses about whether to uh rein in to to check the growth of these cutting edge AI models so that everyone can better understand the risks posed by the technology. There have been a series of security breaches um public opinion poll after public opinion poll show Americans are very weary of AI and what the AI models can do.
Let's bring in Sarah Frier. She's our managing editor for technology coverage. And you know, we hear um the CEOs and founders of Anthropic and Open AI saying, "Let's maybe tap the brakes to slow down development here.
This is still very much an intellectual debate, right? I mean, nothing has been slowed down yet, has it?
Nothing has been slowed down. In fact, if you if you read that 3,800word manifesto, there's not really a lot of concrete uh commitment to stopping pre-training or or deciding not to release certain things or um pulling back on data center spending. That is all very much in the mix still.
They still plan to grow their company. They're going to have a major IPO um in the coming months. Um, so really this is about planting a flag and and saying we we're ready to do something should somebody should everyone agree to do it because if we don't um or if we do it without everyone else doing it then you know it's not going to have an impact because people could still develop this harmful technology.
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Topics
- ai safety
- ai development slowdown
- ipo outlook
- theme park attendance
- cruise liquidity
Companies and tickers mentioned
- RCL
- Anthropic
- OpenAI
- Royal Caribbean
- Six Flags
- Athena Capital
- United Parks
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