Episode summary

Cautious Optimism Fuels Black Friday Shopping this Year

Bloomberg Surveillance · · Guests: Dana Telsey, Jennifer Schmuck, Melissa Ritzius, Nicole Slaughter, Deontay Phillips

Cautious Optimism Fuels Black Friday Shopping this Year – Bloomberg Surveillance

Summary

Black Friday shopping looked cautious rather than exuberant, with the host describing a day when traffic and buzz at retailers like Macy’s built later than in the past and where many promotions did not appear much different from last year. The guest said Macy’s is emphasizing “40% newness,” including Pop Mart, cosmetics, Donna Karan and Rag & Bone, but argued that the overall promotional environment was not materially changed.

The guest said retailers are “cautiously optimistic” because the consumer is split: the high end is still spending, helped by the stock-market wealth effect, while lower-income shoppers face pressure from higher prices and keep searching for value. The holiday theme, in the guest’s view, is newness plus value, with conversion depending on offering both.

The discussion broadened from discounting to luxury and fashion strategy. The guest said luxury retail remains anchored by heritage brands, but growth is coming from smaller, trend-driven names, streetwear collaborations, and more curated stores with food and activities. The guest highlighted TJX and Steve Madden as attractive names, citing trend alignment, acquisition benefits, and the return of brown suede boots.

Key takeaways

  • The guest said holiday 2025 is shaping up as “cautiously optimistic” because affluent consumers are still spending while lower-end shoppers are pressured by prices.
  • The host said Macy’s Black Friday traffic and buzz were slower to build, and the promotional setup looked similar to last year.
  • The guest said the winning retail formula is “newness and value,” with conversion depending on fresh products at acceptable opening price points.
  • The guest argued luxury is shifting toward smaller brands, streetwear crossovers, and more curated store experiences rather than a broad rebound in store count.
  • The guest singled out TJX and Steve Madden as ideas for 2026 and beyond, citing trend momentum and the Kurt Geiger acquisition.

Notable quotes

“I think they're cautiously optimistic. You really have a bifurcated consumer”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 1:43

“The reason why crowds and traffic, the buzz doesn't kick up until later in the day”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 0:07

“We're not seeing a much different link between the level of promotions this year versus last year so far”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 1:02

“the theme of holiday 25 is newness and value. Offer something new”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 2:18

“I think you're still going to see TJX do well. I like Steve Madden also”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 6:58

How the episode opens

What I saw at Macy's. It's a different type of Black Friday than it was in the past. The reason why crowds and traffic, the buzz doesn't kick up until later in the day.

And that's for a lot of retailers. Macy's opens at 6 a.m., but others open later. What did I see at Macy's that was different?

40% newness. La Boo-Boo is the hottest thing out there. Still hot.

Still hot. There's a Pop Mart in-store shop at Macy's. The other things that are new and different at Macy's.

Different brands also, whether it's cosmetics brands, they have a bunch of new cosmetics brands that are different, whether it's also the engagement with new brand, newer brands like the Donna Karan's of the World that are there, Rag and Bone that's there. It's been exciting to see the formation of it, but it's always promotional and all the tracking we've done. We're not seeing a much different link between the level of promotions this year versus last year so far.

So, I mean, retail analysts like Dana tells me this is arguably the most important day of the year, Super Bowl of the year for all the year for Dana. And clients are calling her and texting her all day. What are you seeing?

Because they know she's out at the stores and they want to know what she's seeing out there. How do you expect this holiday season to be interest in terms of dollars for the retailers? Are the retailers optimistic here?

I think they're cautiously optimistic. You really have a bifurcated consumer. I mean, that high end is spending.

Obviously, you've seen the benefits of the stock market, the wealth effect that Ed just talked about. On the low end, the pressure points, obviously, prices have gone up.

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Topics

  • black friday deals
  • consumer spending
  • luxury gifting
  • job market cooling
  • inflation and tariffs

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • M
  • RL
  • TGT
  • BBY
  • Telsey Advisory Group
  • Macy's
  • Ralph Lauren
  • Old Navy
  • Gap Inc.
  • Target
  • Edikted
  • Best Buy Co.

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