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Market Jitters Amid Geopolitical and Tech Uncertainty | Bloomberg Surveillance
Summary
The host and guests framed the market around a strong U.S. earnings backdrop, a broadening AI trade, and persistent geopolitical risk. A guest from Federated Hermes argued that JPMorgan’s long run of outperformance is justified by rising nominal earnings, that the first-quarter bar was high but corporate America has been raising estimates into earnings season, and that a near-term pullback would not change a still-bullish three-year view on the S&P 500. He also said small caps are leading, large-cap growth is starting to look like value, and bonds and European equities remain the least attractive parts of the allocation view.
A guest from ING said Europe still lags the U.S. on earnings growth, with analysts looking for roughly 20% plus U.S. earnings growth versus about 10% to 15% in Europe. She said investors are increasingly seeking European exposure for diversification, but that software and the Magnificent 7 no longer work as a single trade; instead, AI is forcing stock-by-stock judgment over which companies benefit and which are threatened.
On energy, a guest from Hartree Partners argued that the Strait of Hormuz remains vulnerable but that Gulf producers are better prepared than in past crises, with the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Iraq all able to diversify exports and expand supply. A guest from Veda Partners said the November election is being shaped by a stalled Congress, weak odds for major new legislation, and durable Democratic polling momentum, while also lamenting the fading institutional comity once embodied by old-guard senators.
Key takeaways
- The Federated Hermes guest expects stock volatility near term but still sees the S&P 500 at 9,000 in three years on earnings of 450.
- The Federated Hermes guest said small caps are outperforming and that large-cap growth stocks have become value stocks.
- The ING guest said Europe’s earnings growth trail versus the U.S. keeps U.S. equities favored, even as European investors seek more regional diversification.
- The ING guest said AI is making software and the Magnificent 7 a stock-specific debate rather than a single factor trade.
- The Hartree Partners guest argued that Gulf producers are better positioned than in past Strait of Hormuz crises because they have more export options and inventory flexibility.
- The Veda Partners guest said the odds of new fiscal legislation before the election are effectively zero and that Democratic polling momentum remains intact.
Notable quotes
“I think the spot market for stocks could be a little bit ragged maybe the next few weeks”
“we're moving into that third stage. Margins across the board are going higher. AI is part of that”
“The only thing we're overweight internationally is emerging markets which have become a kind of basically an alternative tech investment”
“Europe continues to lag the US in earnings growth. Again, this year analysts are talking about approximately 20% plus earnings growth in the US”
“That straight will never again be totally free in all likelihood”
How the episode opens
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He's He's like Justin Verlander. He's like doing with the Major League Tour. He's retiring.
He's going interview to interview. You know, he's going to retire. Are you retiring in is it 2028 or 20?
Is that is is that young whippers snapper Shiverone pushing you out?
He is. And he's going to do a heck of a job, too. He's a very bright guy. — Yeah, he's he's really really a
Really loved by uh by the team. So, he's going to do fine. So, well, that what they say about you.
Um, I I got to ask you this because long ago in Sweden and I were younger and Gerard Cassidy, Tucker, Anthony, RL day and young Steven O, if you'd said JP Morgan would make 20.98% per year for the last 10 years, you would have flunked the exam. And yet, there it is. How shocked at you are are are you by the excellence of Fortress Diamond?
I I hate to say, Tom, I'm not that shocked. I mean, we we it was one of our favorite stocks six or seven years ago. At the time, it was trading at 10 times market multiple.
It looked to us like earnings were heading quite a bit higher and here we are. Now, it's trading at 15 times. You guys have been making the case for the last 20 minutes on JP Morgan.
Why can't it trade at a market multiple? Why shouldn't it? This is one of the biggest banks in the world.
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Topics
- equity bull run
- tech rotation
- private banking
- oil markets
- geopolitical uncertainty
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Federated Hermes
- Hartree Partners
- Veda Partners
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