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Markets Price in Tech Spending and Midterm Elections | Bloomberg Surveillance
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· · 30 min · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Kay Haigh, Darius Dale, Richard Portes, Natasha Sarin
Summary
The discussion centered on how the AI capex boom is reshaping credit markets, with the guest arguing that the main issue is not just pricing risk but pricing balance-sheet capacity. He said issuance tied to hyperscalers and chip deals has become so heavy that spreads have widened and investors are starting to worry about how much AI debt the market can absorb, especially through off-balance-sheet and contingent-liability structures. He also said capital spending could push IG-sector AI-related debt north of a trillion dollars over the next two years.
The conversation then turned to France, where the guest described a difficult fiscal picture: debt near 120% of GDP, a 5% to 6% deficit, and widening 10-year spreads versus German bunds. He said a French presidential election that could elevate Le Pen would add more volatility and leave policy uncertainty unresolved. In a separate discussion, another guest argued that the Fed faces an impossible tradeoff because 2% inflation is not compatible with winning the AI race, and said the market is underpricing the chance of a growth slowdown and a shift into a deflationary regime.
The final segment focused on the midterm elections and tax policy. The guest said affordability is the dominant political issue, wealth-tax ballot measures in California, Colorado, and Washington could pressure markets, and the bigger long-run question is whether policymakers will raise more revenue from corporations and wealthy asset owners.
Key takeaways
- The fixed-income guest said the AI debt boom is increasingly about market capacity and balance-sheet absorption, not just credit quality.
- The guest estimated AI-related investment-grade issuance could push north of a trillion dollars over the next two years.
- France’s debt burden and deficit path, combined with election risk, were described as a source of widening spreads and more volatility.
- One guest argued the Fed cannot keep 2% inflation and still support an AI-driven industrial policy without a broader policy shift.
- Natasha Sarin said affordability is the central election issue and wealth taxes may be politically salient but financially tricky to implement.
Notable quotes
“it wasn't just a question of kind of pricing the underlying risk but it was much more the question of pricing capacity and balance sheet”
“we think you're probably going to end up north of a trillion over the next kind of two years in the IG space alone”
“France is about 120% debt to GDP. That's a that's a that's a large number”
“2% inflation is not compatible with winning the AI race”
“cost of living issues are like so front of mind for every person essentially, no matter what their political uh affiliation is”
How the episode opens
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We're going to talk about her Halloween she gave me my Halloween costume I'm not going to announce it right now it's too emotional Alexis wants me to announce it later Amanda Lam is all over the zeitgeist right now in your world of fixed income and AI synthesized with all your expertise what Goldman Sachs is talking about with onbalance sheet and offbalance sheet debt.
Well, good morning. Like look, we it's probably worth just kind of separating what's happening in the equity markets over the last kind of 48 hours or so and what's been happening in the fixed income markets for the last 2 or 3 months. Um because the move started in the fixed income markets and the move was driven um by the sheer amount of issuance that was coming um to the market.
So initially beginning of the year investors were very keen to get in on some of this AI debt hyperscalers some of these kind of chip deals. Um so investors picked them up. Um but they kept coming and at some point I think investors figured out pretty quickly that you know it wasn't just a question of kind of pricing the underlying risk but it was much more the question of pricing capacity and balance sheet as to how much of this risk could really be digested in a short period in the market.
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Topics
- tech spending
- midterm elections
- ai debt issuance
- fed and ecb outlook
- inflation and growth
Companies and tickers mentioned
- GS
- NYT
- Goldman Sachs
- 42 Macro
- Yale Budget Lab
- The New York Times
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