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Markets Underestimate Trump's 'Conviction on Tariffs,' Says PIMCO's Libby Cantrill

Bloomberg Surveillance · · Guests: Libby Cantrill

Markets Underestimate Trump's 'Conviction on Tariffs,' Says PIMCO's Libby Cantrill – Bloomberg Surveillance

Summary

Libby Cantrill argued that 2026 should be a year of tighter constraints on President Trump as Congress and the courts increasingly limit his room to maneuver. She said 2025 was the president’s “peak” year of power, when a Republican-controlled Congress largely gave the White House a wide berth, but expects lawmakers to pivot toward their own survival ahead of the midterms and slow the legislative agenda. Her base case is that Republicans keep the Senate, though she flagged Texas as an important early test.

On tariffs, Cantrill said markets may be too confident that the White House will moderate. She acknowledged some selective softening is possible on products the U.S. cannot produce, and maybe on steel and aluminum, but said the administration still has other legal tools to impose tariffs even if the Supreme Court curbs one authority. Her main point was that investors are underestimating Trump’s conviction on trade policy and should continue to price tariff risk as long as he remains in office.

She was more constructive on housing legislation, saying the House and Senate bills should be reconciled and signed into law. Beyond that, she expects very little major legislation before the midterms aside from a government funding bill for fiscal year 2027.

Key takeaways

  • Cantrill said 2025 was “peak Trump,” but expects Congress and the courts to constrain the White House more in 2026.
  • She thinks Republicans will keep the Senate, though Texas on March 3rd is an important early signal.
  • Cantrill warned that markets underestimate Trump’s “sincerity and conviction on tariffs,” even if some tariff relief is possible.
  • She expects the housing-for-the-21st-Century legislation to become law, but sees little else getting passed before the midterms.

Notable quotes

“We think the constraints of both the Congress and the courts will bind this president more”

— Libby Cantrill at 1:48

“We do believe that 2025 was peak Trump in that it was sort of his apex of presidential power”

— Libby Cantrill at 1:32

“this White House still has many other tools that Congress has given them”

— Libby Cantrill at 5:01

“time to underestimate this president and his sincerity and conviction on tariffs is something the markets continue to do”

— Libby Cantrill at 6:27

How the episode opens

You're absolutely right. This year is compressed just because, of course, the midterm elections, I think both the House and the Senate leaders are going to be eager for their members to go back to their districts and states to campaign in advance of November. So our expectation is in many ways, this Congress probably will likely come to kind of its end, you know, near near July.

Now, of course, they'll be back in session in September to fund the government, hopefully fund the government once again for fiscal year 2027. But outside of that, we're not really expecting much legislation beyond the the August or the summer recess. Libby, in one of your recent notes in your Washington Watch note, you have entitled was 2025 peak Trump.

What do you mean by that? Yeah, So in many ways, this is pretty consistent with other presidential cycles. The first year of an administration, particularly when the party in the White House controls both chambers of Congress, does see it's sort of peak presidential power.

Congress is usually gives a wide berth to their president to sort of do what they want to do. And the courts, in this case of Trump have been sort of slow to catch up. So in 2025, like 2021 was for Biden.

For President Biden, like in some ways for 2009 was for President Obama. We do believe that 2025 was peak Trump in that it was sort of his apex of presidential power, 2026. And we've already seen some signs of this at the end of 2025 and the beginning of this year.

We think the constraints of both the Congress and the courts will bind this president more. And again, this is less of something sort of specific to President Trump, and it's much more sort of indicative of the general political cycle where, you know, members of Congress in particular start pivoting to their own survival and pivot to midterms and as a result, start pushing back on their president, even when it's the president of their own party.

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Topics

  • tariffs
  • us dollar
  • currency hedging
  • corporate risk strategy
  • fed rate cuts

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • PIMCO
  • Millennium Global Investments Ltd
  • MillTech

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