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Stocks Rise as Iran Peace Hopes Hold | Bloomberg Surveillance
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· · 33 min · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Amanda Lynam, Dhaval Joshi, Sheila Kahyaoglu, James Starvridis
Summary
Fixed income strategists argued that credit remains more of an income trade than a price-rally trade. The guest from Goldman Sachs said tight spreads can persist because pension funds and insurers still have strong structural demand for high-quality corporate bonds, even as all-in yields remain attractive. She said investors should not expect a large rally in rates or a big tightening in spreads, and noted that lower-quality IG names such as BBBs have held up better because they carry less duration risk.
A strategist from BCA Research said the market and the media focus too much on nominal yields and not enough on real interest rates. He argued that real rates are what matter for investment decisions, and warned that short-term inflation expectations are already unanchored while longer-term expectations are creeping higher. He said central banks can tolerate temporary shocks, but if the steady-state inflation rate ratchets up, that becomes a much bigger problem. He also cautioned against treating AI productivity gains as the central case for disinflation.
The conversation later turned to defense, aerospace and the geopolitical fallout from Iran tensions. A guest from Jefferies said the market is still rewarding hypergrowth themes tied to AI, space and commercial aerospace, while the host and the guest pointed to Boeing defense, missile production, drones and counter-UAS as areas of renewed spending. An admiral said the Strait of Hormuz must be reopened and argued that diplomacy, economic pressure and resistance inside Iran would be needed to create lasting change.
Key takeaways
- The Goldman Sachs guest said tight credit spreads can persist because pensions and insurers still have robust demand for corporate bonds.
- She said credit should be owned for carry and income, not for a big rally in rates or a meaningful spread collapse.
- The BCA Research guest argued that real interest rates, not nominal yields, are the key signal for markets and the economy.
- He warned that short-term inflation expectations are already unanchored and that higher steady-state inflation would be dangerous.
- The Jefferies guest said investors are still favoring AI, space and aerospace growth, while defense names may benefit from higher missile and drone spending.
- The admiral said the Strait of Hormuz has to be reopened and that military capability alone is not enough without diplomacy and economic pressure.
Notable quotes
“there's this ongoing tension between the tight level of spreads but the attractive level of all-in yields”
“you shouldn't be banking on a material rally in interest rates or a material tightening in spreads”
“the really important thing is what what happened what matters for uh the economy and what matters for financial markets is the real interest rate”
“I would not make that the central case. I would make that my optimistic case”
“We have to fight to open it. If we do, and if we can accomplish it diplomatically, putting economic pressure, fine”
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Amanda Linham, uh, you've been in before, but this is the first time you and I have seen each other since this new anointed. What's it like to walk into Sha Sachs? I mean, what is it like to walk in?
I mean, you worked there before and you did other things and what was it like to come home?
Yeah, it's wonderful to be back and it's very special because I came back to lead my old team. Uh, so my beloved former boss uh left and I came back to take his seat. So, it's um it's been really wonderful and I had a great experience with Black Rockck as you know. Uh but it's very nice to be home at Goldman.
What what what is the singular distinction like if you're in front of the newly minted Goldman interns beginning the summer? What's your what's your single distinction on yield at this moment?
Well, I think for fixed income investors, there's this ongoing tension between the tight level of spreads but the attractive level of all-in yields. And so the relative value conversations that we're having with clients really are different depending on the focus for which they're approaching the fixed income market. I think on net this actually just means that this tight level of spreads can probably persist for a bit longer because the wave of demand specifically from pensions and insurance companies uh is really robust.
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Topics
- stocks rise
- iran peace hopes
- credit outlook
- equity research
- world markets
Companies and tickers mentioned
- GS
- JEF
- Goldman Sachs
- BCA Research
- Jefferies
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