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The Money Show: SpaceX Market Impact and Solving Social Security | Bloomberg Surveillance
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· · 45 min · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Jim Chanos, Jack Lew
Summary
The episode centers on SpaceX’s debut after its IPO, with the hosts and guests debating whether the company’s first-day surge is justified by fundamentals or driven by Musk fandom and retail FOMO. The stock opened far above its $135 offer price and quickly moved toward a market value of more than $2 trillion, while brokers and traders scrambled for access through traditional orders and synthetic ETF products. One guest argued that the valuation is hard to reconcile with the company’s revenue base and that the market is effectively paying for a narrative around Elon Musk and future growth.
That skepticism sharpened around SpaceX’s business mix. A guest said Starlink is the real business, but the launch business still loses money and the company’s shift toward leasing compute capacity makes the story look more like a lower-margin neocloud play than a high-multiple AI platform. Another guest warned that massive IPO and secondary issuance could signal a broader market environment where supply is finally catching up with demand.
The other major thread was Social Security. A former Treasury secretary said the system is headed for a 22% benefit cut in 2032 if nothing changes, and that fixing it requires bipartisan action well before the trust fund runs short. He argued that modest revenue increases and phased benefit changes are more realistic than waiting for a crisis.
Key takeaways
- The host framed SpaceX’s IPO as a retail frenzy, with demand spilling into leveraged ETFs and even causing Robinhood traffic issues.
- A guest said SpaceX looks expensive at roughly 110 times revenues, making the valuation difficult to justify on fundamentals alone.
- A guest argued Starlink is the only clearly real business, while the launch business still loses money and the AI/compute story looks lower quality.
- The former Treasury secretary said Social Security faces a 22% benefit cut in 2032 unless Congress acts before the trust fund runs short.
- He said the most plausible fix is a bipartisan mix of modest benefit changes and revenue increases, not a last-minute rescue.
Notable quotes
“SpaceX is, I believe, depending what I heard in the green room, is probably now at about 110 times revenues”
“I think Starlink's a real business. Um, we we can look at their businesses”
“the reality is that the trustees report that came out this week says that in 2032, Social Security will run short of paying the old age benefits fully”
“this is a place for Elon Musk's fans to show just how much they believe in him and his vision”
“it's really not about whether or not you like Elon. It's about is this a good investment or not, which is a little bit heartening right now”
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Of course, we do want to bring your attention to what's happening with SpaceX. The company began trading today after IPOing yesterday at $135. The opening trade was 150, although it's worth noting for those who were keeping track that the indicated open had been steadily declining from earlier in the day.
Let's go over now to Yahara Anan. She is our Bloomberg television correspondent joining us from the NASDAQ in the middle of all the action. Yahara, take us through what we've seen so far.
Well, the excitement was palpable here at the NASDAQ, uh, Scarlet, and now SpaceX has officially begun trading. As you said, the stock opening at $155 a share above its $135 IPO price, giving investors an immediate gain of roughly 11%. Though now we are higher, but that opening value uh does price the company at approximately uh under $2 trillion market cap, instantly putting SpaceX among the most valuable companies in the world.
It's more valuable than Tesla itself, another Elon Musk company of course, but also Saudi Aramco and uh Meta.
Thank you so much for that context because we talk about all the superlatives attached to this IPO. It's also going to make a lot of early investors very wealthy. Walk us through some of those names.
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Topics
- spacex market impact
- social security
- treasury policy
- economy and markets
Companies and tickers mentioned
- SpaceX
- Chanos & Company
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