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Thinking Capital | Social Capital: How do you earn trust in a market where you don’t have a...

Bloomberg Surveillance · · 21 min · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Parag Khana, Danny Yeung, Jasmine El-Gamal, Danielle Johnson, Jorge Arce

Thinking Capital | Social Capital: How do you earn trust in a market where you don’t have a... – Bloomberg Surveillance

Summary

The episode argues that social capital is less about the sheer number of contacts than about trust, credibility, and the confidence others place in you. Parag Khanna frames it as something the system confers, not something you self-declare, while Jasmine El-Gamal says it comes down to trust and empathy, especially understanding another person’s fears, narrative, and goals. Danielle Johnson adds that competence matters early, but reliability and consistency are what make people keep coming back.

The panel also argues that relationships are built over time, not extracted on demand. Jorge Arce says trust can take years to earn and can disappear quickly if neglected, while Danny Yeung describes how he had to research harder and prove himself as an outsider entering genetics. He also says one of his most important partnerships took a decade to mature after an initial rejection. Across the discussion, weak ties, stakeholder mapping, and face-to-face contact are presented as practical ways to build a network that can travel across industries and countries.

The closing message is that social capital compounds when people show up, tell the truth, and create value on both sides. In that view, the best relationships are not transactional “coffee” connections but durable bonds that can eventually turn into opportunity.

Key takeaways

  • Parag Khanna says social capital is a property the system confers, built on trust and cohesion rather than self-assessment.
  • Jasmine El-Gamal argues trust starts with empathy, not just access or rank, because you have to understand another person’s perspective and fears.
  • Danielle Johnson says competence is table stakes, but reliability and consistency are what convert expertise into trust.
  • Jorge Arce says trust can take years to build and a “hot second” to lose, making relationship maintenance essential.
  • Danny Yeung says outsiders have to over-prepare and prove credibility, and one of his key partners turned into a collaboration only after 10 years.

Notable quotes

“Social capital is not simply the number of people you know, it's the level of confidence people are willing to place on you”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 1:54

“For me, social capital really boils down to two main things, trust and empathy”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 2:50

“You can't earn trust in a day. You can't earn trust in a week. It takes years, but it can take a hot second to lose it”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 0:50

“There is something called the value of weak relationships”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 6:47

“The relationships with the most future value are often the ones we can't quite put a finger on today”

— A speaker on Bloomberg Surveillance at 22:02

How the episode opens

As a subscriber to this Bloomberg podcast, we thought you might enjoy Thinking Capital, a new sponsored series from HSBC and Bloomberg Media Studios exploring modern forms of capital. We call them like the coffee people. It's people who want to grab a coffee with you only when you have a job that they think is useful for them or, you know, whatever.

And then when you don't have that job anymore, that person will never pick up the phone. If I'm going to a country, it can't really just be about the head of state or the CEO of the largest corporations and stateowned enterprises. I should be meeting academics.

I should be meeting civil society to understand how they interact with each other.

You can't earn trust in a day. You can't earn trust in a week. It takes years, but it can take a hot second to lose it. — The nature of modern capital is changing. Traditional balance sheet wealth is no longer the only currency driving global influence. So, what is driving it? I'm Will

And I'm Lucy. Welcome to the Thinking Capital podcast, a series by HSBC and Bloomberg Media Studios. We're decoding the modern currencies of success, intellectual, cultural, financial, and in this episode, social capital. — We all know that the right networks can open doors, but how do you build credibility in places where you don't have a track record yet? We have a global lineup of business leaders. Parag Kana, founder and CEO of Alpha Geo. Danny Young, CEO and co-founder of Prrenetics, Jasmine Algamal, founder and CEO of Avaros Strategies, Danielle Johnson, global head of institutional clients at HSBC, and Horge Ace, CEO of HSBC Mexico.

Social capital is not simply the number of people you know, it's the level of confidence people are willing to place on you.

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Topics

  • building trust
  • relationship capital
  • unfamiliar markets
  • credibility building
  • institutional banking

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • AlphaGeo
  • Prenetics
  • Averos Strategies
  • HSBC

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