Episode summary
Trump Offers Hormuz Assurances as Iran War Rages On | Bloomberg Surveillance
Bloomberg Surveillance
· · Hosts: Tom Keene, Paul Sweeney, Norah Mulinda, Lisa Mateo, Michael Barr · Guests: Sébastien Page, Debbie Cunningham, Meera Pandit, Angie Gildea, Liana Fix
Summary
Markets are being forced to price a wider set of outcomes as the Iran conflict raises oil, inflation, and geopolitical risks. A T. Rowe Price multi-asset chief said his team sees no true base case yet, only scenarios ranging from a short war to a protracted one, and he argued that investors should hedge with real asset equities, commodities, gold, cash, and some Treasury exposure rather than rely on one safe haven. He also said the firm remains selective on AI and still likes international equities because of valuation gaps and broader growth catalysts.
A Federated Hermes liquidity chief said short-end markets have not shown the classic full-scale flight to quality, partly because inflation fears are limiting demand for Treasuries even as cash comes in. She said the firm is still comfortable with longer duration, but is not extending credit risk and is narrowing limits where needed. A JPMorgan Asset Management strategist argued the shock is more inflationary than stagflationary for the U.S. because it is a net energy exporter and because tax refunds and still-disinflationary underlying trends should cushion the hit.
An energy consultant said the Strait of Hormuz remains the key supply risk, with about 20 million barrels a day moving through the region, but added that shale cannot ramp quickly and that any sustained disruption would depend on whether the conflict lasts weeks or months. A Europe specialist said the war is exposing deeper EU divisions, sharpening worries about migration and energy prices, and crowding out attention on Ukraine.
Key takeaways
- The T. Rowe Price CIO said there is no base case now, only scenarios, and he sees real asset equities as a preferred geopolitical hedge.
- The Federated Hermes liquidity chief said the short end has seen less-than-normal flight to quality because inflation risk is still a concern.
- The JPMorgan strategist said the Iran shock is more inflationary than stagflationary for the U.S., helped by America’s role as a net energy exporter.
- The KPMG energy leader said the Strait of Hormuz remains the critical bottleneck, with about 20 million barrels a day at risk of disruption.
- The Council on Foreign Relations analyst said Europe is divided on the conflict and increasingly focused on migration, energy prices, and dependence on the U.S.
Notable quotes
“there is no real base case right now. I know it sounds it's probably statistically incorrect to say, but it really is a matter of scenarios”
“our strategy in our portfolio has been to be long real asset equities and we've been long real asset equities for a while”
“we are still very comfortable being, you know, long duration, long weighted average maturity”
“For us, it's more inflationary than stagflationary”
“the key concern is really is, as you mentioned, that straight of hormones and how much of the uh how much of the oil supply can get through that straight”
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Um, Sebastian Paige joins us. He's a CIO and head of global multi-asset investing at Troll Price. Great thing about Troll Price down in Baltimore is they do everything.
There's stocks, there's bonds, there's commodities, private markets. So, they see pretty much everything. Any deal flow that crosses uh globally, Troll Price gets a look at it.
So, it's a good opportunity to get uh some thoughts there. Sebastian, thanks so much for joining us here. You see the geopolitical risk here that we've all been dealing with over the last several days.
I know the smart folks down at Tro have been chatting about what to do here. What do you guys how do you guys think about positioning? What's the messaging to your clients these days?
Well, Paul, as you might expect, our research platform went into overdrive over the weekend. I'm catching up on all the analyst notes. We have 300 research analysts.
They cover every stock in the world that's of a significant size and every sector and every market. And we have asset allocators and economists and macro researchers. And I'll say this, there is no real base case right now.
I know it sounds it's probably statistically incorrect to say, but it really is a matter of scenarios. Our analysts are debating this in terms of a short war or a longer or protracted war with certain probabilities. One analyst went as high as 50% at some point over the weekend that we see Brent above $100.
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Topics
- hormuz closure risks
- iran conflict outlook
- real asset equities as geopolitical hedge
- global liquidity and cash management
- middle east conflict and us stagflation risk
Companies and tickers mentioned
- TROW
- FHI
- JPM
- T. Rowe Price
- Federated Hermes
- JPMorgan Asset Management
- KPMG
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