Episode summary
CIO Greatest Hits: Multi-Family Offices - Jenny Heller (Brandywine Trust Group, 2021)
Capital Allocators with Ted Seides
· · Hosts: Ted Seides · Guests: Jennifer Heller
Summary
Jennifer Heller describes Brandywine Trust Group’s investing process as a disciplined search for durable opportunities, but one that is still guided by a beginner’s mind. She says the team stays broad in sourcing while using first-principles filters such as break-even analysis, durability, liquidity, taxes, and manager alignment to decide what deserves deeper work. That framework helps Brandywine avoid tactical ideas unless they are truly exceptional.
A big theme is the firm’s “deep dive” research model, where team members pursue passion projects that may or may not become investments. Heller points to affordable housing, crypto, QSR, and especially insurance as examples of work that can either lead directly to a position or create reusable knowledge. In crypto, Brandywine ultimately chose a small, long-duration investment rather than a trading strategy, because the firm wanted exposure to a multi-decade technology shift rather than short-term volatility.
Heller also emphasizes sizing and culture. She says the firm starts many new positions small and uses key diligence indicators to decide whether to scale. Just as important, Brandywine has become more focused on team dynamics, looking for warning signs in communication, incentives, and interpersonal behavior before committing capital.
Key takeaways
- Brandywine uses a beginner’s mind, but only within strict first-principles filters around durability, fees, taxes, and cash drag, Heller says.
- The firm’s deep dives are meant to create compounding knowledge, even when they do not lead to an immediate investment.
- Heller says Brandywine chose a small crypto allocation because the long-duration opportunity mattered more than trading the asset class.
- Sizing is deliberately staged: new positions often start at half-size and grow only if key diligence indicators are met.
- Heller says culture and team dynamics have become more important, because broken internal behavior can matter more than a clever strategy.
Notable quotes
“I think my genius is probably that I still approach everything with a beginner's mind”
“So for our long only portfolio for example, we have a break even analysis that we run to look at the returns of a manager”
“the goal is to be as broad as possible within these sort of first principal constraints that we have”
“I think the reality of venture, which is where we tend to write the smallest checks by far, is you're always constrained”
How the episode opens
Hello, I'm Ted Sides and this is Capital Allocators. This show is an open exploration of the people and process behind capital allocation through conversations with the leaders in the money game. We learn how these holders of the keys to the kingdom allocate their time and their capital.
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Clients of capital allocators or podcast guests may maintain positions in securities discussed on this podcast. With eight years and over 500 podcasts under my belt, I'm often asked to recommend my favorite episode. But I can't really answer that question.
I feel like I have 500 children and don't think I've disowned a single one. So when asked, I usually offer up a great recent episode to get a listener started. Finding the best episodes in a big library of content isn't easy.
So we thought we'd help. Each summer going forward, we're going to share our best. Over seven weeks, we'll replay conversations curated from our favorites and yours, excluding those from the last 12 months.
Our 2025 summer series focuses on CIOS. We're blessed to have an incredible library of long shelflife content, and we just couldn't pick seven. Instead, we'll share a dozen gems canvasing every type of institutional asset owner.
This week's summer series is a multifamily office twofer with Stan Miranda, co-founder and chairman emeritus of Partners Capital and Jenny Heler from Brandywine. Both firms started as multif family offices that have evolved in different ways. Partners Capital has grown and scaled as a leading OCIO, while Brandywine has remained a boutique with a fixed set of family clients.
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Topics
- family office investing
- manager evaluation
- position sizing
- affordable housing investing
- cryptocurrency research
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Brandywine Group Advisors, Inc.
- Brandywine Trust Group
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