Episode summary
CIO Greatest Hits: Public Pensions - Ash Williams (Florida SBA)
Capital Allocators with Ted Seides
· · Hosts: Ted Seides · Guests: Ash Williams
Summary
Ash Williams traces his path from Florida politics into investing and back again, arguing that public pension success depends on fiduciary discipline, governance, and long-term orientation rather than tactical market timing. He describes how Florida’s pension system started with a 45% funded ratio and a narrow fixed-income mandate, then expanded into equities, private equity, and real estate as the state modernized its investment authority.
A major theme is how public-sector incentives can distort decisions. Williams says the first big challenge was compensation: Florida’s public pay structure made it hard to retain investment talent, so he spent six years building a new compensation plan with base and incentive pay tied to performance and bounded risk-taking. He also argues that political pressure is unavoidable in public pensions, using the tobacco divestiture fight as an example of why fiduciary duty and policy goals must be kept separate.
On portfolio construction, Williams favors a stable strategic allocation, heavy equity beta, and opportunistic sleeves that can flex when spreads or valuations are compelling. He emphasizes scale, internal management, passive-plus factor replication, low costs, and selective partnerships in private equity and hedge funds, with character and trust as the most important screens for managers.
Key takeaways
- Williams argues that a public pension should set a rational strategic asset allocation and stick with it rather than making tactical bets.
- He says Florida spent six years redesigning compensation so investment staff could be recruited and retained on market terms without creating reckless incentives.
- Williams frames the tobacco divestiture episode as proof that fiduciary duty and political policy should be separated when managing pension assets.
- He says Florida’s scale and internal management let it run passive and factor strategies at very low cost and still add value through securities lending and index events.
- He believes private equity selection should favor focused specialists over sprawling mega-firms with too many products.
Notable quotes
“the way Florida's constitution works and Florida's laws work. the state board of administration has responsibility for investing pension assets”
“The first time you listen to me and override your own judgment and get us both in trouble, I'll fire your ass”
“the idea that tobacco companies knew they were selling a lethal product and to the extent they sold it and as a result serious if not fatal diseases affected thousands of people”
“It's sort of like eating an elephant. You do it a little bit at a time”
“The most important thing I think and I sound like I'm quoting Howard Marx. You know, he wrote the book the most important thing”
How the episode opens
Hello, I'm Ted Sides and this is Capital Allocators. This show is an open exploration of the people and process behind capital allocation. Through conversations with leaders in the money game, we learn how these holders of the keys to the kingdom allocate their time and their capital.
You can keep up to date by visiting capital allocatorspodcast.com. My guest on today's show is Ash Williams, the executive director and chief investment officer of the Florida State Board of Administration, where he oversees $200 billion in assets for the state of Florida, including one of the largest public pension funds in the United States. He is as highly regarded as they come and among other accolades received a lifetime achievement award from CIO magazine in 2017.
Ash began his career serving the state of Florida as a staff assistant to two house speakers, as chief of staff to a former governor and comproller of the state and as executive director of the SBA. He left for a decade on Wall Street and returned after the global financial crisis to help resurrect the state's assets. Our conversation covers Ash's early experience in the Florida legislature, the SBA in the 1990s, moving from the public sector to Wall Street, and returning in the thick of the financial crisis.
We discuss many aspects of managing a large pool of assets, including a six-year effort to modernize the compensation scheme, asset allocation, blending active and passive managers, and internal and external fund management, managing around political interests, communicating expectations and transparency, character, proxy voting, private equity, hedge funds, and the process of selecting managers. Please enjoy my conversation with Ash Williams. Ash, thanks so much for swinging by.
Thank you for having me. There aren't that many people who come through that are truly Florida royalty.
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Topics
- public pensions
- asset allocation
- active vs passive management
- private equity and hedge funds
- manager selection
Watch the episode
Watch “CIO Greatest Hits: Public Pensions - Ash Williams (Florida SBA)” on YouTube
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