Episode summary
John Graham - Evolution of the Canadian Model at CPPIB - (EP.465)
Capital Allocators with Ted Seides
· · Hosts: Ted Seides · Guests: John Graham, Geoffrey Rubin
Summary
CPPIB’s investment model is centered on maximizing total return at the portfolio level, not on running a traditional asset-allocation book against benchmarks. John Graham describes an organization that blends internal teams, external partnerships, and a global footprint to find the best risk-adjusted opportunities, while constantly testing whether its structure still serves the mandate rather than its own identity. He frames the Canadian model as an active, global, multi-asset approach that partners with the best managers where CPPIB lacks edge, internalizes where it has scale or a cost advantage, and stays focused on net returns.
Graham says the world has changed since the model was first built: alternative assets are more crowded, mega-managers are more powerful, and the organization must adapt without losing discipline. That shows up in a two-by-two matrix of active versus passive and internal versus external, in deliberate capital rotation across geographies and asset classes, and in a willingness to go passive where there is no right to win. He also emphasizes governance, stakeholder management, and a long-term culture built for a 75-year horizon, not a founder-style institution.
On climate and AI, he argues CPPIB remains value-driven rather than concessionary. Climate is still incorporated through physical risk and energy economics, while AI is being used internally for productivity and committee challenge, even as the fund intentionally underweights broad market AI concentration risk.
Key takeaways
- Graham says CPPIB is trying to maximize total return at the total portfolio level, not just beat benchmarks within each asset class.
- He argues the Canadian model still works, but only if it evolves as private markets, mega-managers, and global competition change.
- CPPIB uses external partnerships where it lacks edge and internal teams where scale, duration, or local knowledge create a right to win.
- The fund is willing to run passive exposure in areas like public equities and fixed income when it only needs market beta.
- Graham says AI is useful internally, but CPPIB is deliberately underweighting the market’s biggest AI names because of concentration risk.
Notable quotes
“we are actually trying to maximize a total return at a given level of risk over the long run”
“partner with the best, internalize where one has a real cost advantage, and at the end of the day, we're solving for net returns”
“Our purpose is to contribute to the financial security and retirement of 22 million Canadians”
“Diversification is an act of humility”
“The CPP investments book needs to be a really big book. Needs to be a really really long book”
How the episode opens
We're not just giving out an asset allocation and a bunch of benchmarks and managing active risk against it and trying to you know maximize the information where we are actually trying to maximize a total return at a given level of risk over the long run. One of the challenges is we execute through a series of strategies private and public decisions get made kind of bottom up and we can get kind of a collection of idiosyncratic portfolios and then we blend them all together and kind of see what we got knowing that looking past the very simple asset class labels looking what we have from a geography perspective looking what we have from an asset class perspective and I know where the team thinks a lot about is how do we actually have an then have an optimal total portfolio and that we have the right exposures in the total portfolio. We have the right allocations in the total portfolio.
John, thanks so much for joining me. Well, thank you so much for having me. Why don't you take me back to your background before getting into the investment business?
I have a non-traditional background and having listened to many of your shows, I know that's probably a common theme also. I have a PhD in physical chemistry. actually worked as a research scientist for almost nine years writing papers probably have 25 30 US patents largely in kind of photovoltaic solar cell area and worked in the uh for Xerox innovation group which at the time was one of the great industrial research labs in the world and so spent the first part of my career as a true scientist.
How did that lead you to getting involved in investing? I started pre-.com in science and pre-.com working in the I guess the technology world and uh did love it and still have a real affinity for it but we company obviously went through some tough times post.com and some of it was idiosyncratic to the company itself.
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Topics
- canadian pension model
- total portfolio approach
- global competition
- pension fund governance
- leadership and partnerships
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Canadian Pension Plan Investment Board
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