Episode summary
Innovation in Asia and Europe: Why now matters
Capital Ideas Podcast
· · 31 min · Hosts: Mike Gitlin · Guests: Noriko Chen
Summary
Noriko Chen argues that her investment edge comes from a global perspective and a long time horizon: she is less focused on the next quarter than on where companies and industries will be in three to 10 years. Her early investments in Ben & Jerry’s, Intel, and a failed savings-and-loan stake set up the episode’s theme that knowing a business is not enough; you also need to understand incentives, management quality, and industry structure.
She points to Asia, especially China, as a place where deep fieldwork has helped her identify long-term shifts in energy demand, automation, and robotics. Chen says China’s demand growth, once a major driver of oil markets, may now be peaking in transportation, while falling robot costs and AI are making automation more commercial in restaurants and factories.
On Europe, she says the region has become more interesting only recently because of restructuring, especially in banks. She notes that European and Asian banks started from very low price-to-book ratios and can still improve, though she does not expect them to fully match U.S. bank multiples because geography and consolidation remain constraints. She also discusses mentoring women, recruiting for resilient investors, and supporting nonprofits focused on underserved girls and young women.
Key takeaways
- Chen says her edge is a global, strategic mindset focused on the next three to 10 years, not near-term earnings.
- She sees China’s transportation energy demand as peaking, with EV adoption and industrial changes likely to pressure oil demand.
- Chen believes robotics is becoming commercially viable as prices fall toward about $5,000, especially in labor-heavy sectors like restaurants.
- She says European banks became investable after restructuring, capital cleanup, and management changes, with price-to-book multiples rising from about 0.4x to 0.8x.
- Chen argues good investors need resilience, measured risk-taking, and the willingness to be wrong before they can be right.
Notable quotes
“I'm really not as interested in the next quarter earnings, or even two quarters. I'm much more focused on where is a company going over the next three to five years”
“You really need to understand not just what's happening with your company, but what's happening with other companies globally”
“the best thing to do is to just start trying”
How the episode opens
- You spend a lot of time in Asia. Talk a little bit about those experiences and how they impacted you, and how you became an investor. - You really need to understand not just what's happening with your company, but what's happening with other companies globally.
And so it really developed kind of that global perspective. I'm really not as interested in the next quarter earnings, or even two quarters. I'm much more focused on where is a company going over the next three to five years, or the next five to 10 years?
Where is the industry going? How are consumers changing? How are they innovating?
- If I had to sum up your advice to folks who are looking to get into this industry... - The best thing to do is to... - Today, we're joined by Noriko Chen.
Noriko's an equity portfolio manager based in San Francisco. She's been at Capital Group 26 years. She's also on our Capital Group Management Committee, helping to oversee the company.
And welcome, Noriko. Thank you for being here. - Oh, it's a pleasure to be here.
- So I'm going to ask you a strange question to start off, but what's your favorite ice cream? (Noriko laughs) What's your favorite? - Mint chocolate chip.
- Mint chocolate chip. - Easy. Easy.
- All right. I'm a coffee ice cream guy. My wife, Kris Ann, loves chocolate.
But I am going to ask you about an ice cream company because I think it may have been one of your first investments. So, talk a little bit about one of your first investments, and then we'll dial back to the beginning. - OK.
Well, the context is I went to Williams College, and were situated on the northwest kind of border of Vermont.
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Topics
- asia investment outlook
- european banks
- automation
- energy demand
- mentorship for investors
Companies and tickers mentioned
- AAPL
- SPOT
- Capital Group
- Apple
- Spotify
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