Episode summary
Former NEC Director Gary Cohn: Interest rate policy alone won't solve the inflation problem
Summary
Gary Cohn argued that the Fed is likely to keep tightening because the data are still pointing toward a hike, but he said interest-rate policy alone will not fix inflation. His view was that the U.S. is in a highly volatile, unpredictable environment, with energy prices, supply conditions, politics, and the next round of fiscal decisions all affecting the outlook.
Cohn said time may help the inflation fight because year-over-year comparisons should improve as past oil spikes roll off, even though refined-product costs can still keep pressure on food, agriculture, and other parts of the economy. He stressed that higher rates cannot produce more oil or lower food prices, and warned that higher mortgage costs only worsen an existing housing problem.
He also said the midterms are effectively impossible to forecast because recent elections, including in Brazil and Israel, showed polling and prediction markets can be wrong. On markets, Cohn said the AI build-out is real, but companies are being punished when heavy investment dents near-term revenue, creating a difficult, volatile stock environment.
Key takeaways
- Cohn expects the Fed’s data dependence to still lead to a December hike, even if policymakers want more time.
- He said inflation may cool mechanically as oil comparisons roll off, with year-over-year energy inflation potentially turning zero to negative over the next six months.
- Cohn argued rate hikes cannot solve supply-driven inflation because the Fed cannot create more oil or lower food prices.
- He said higher interest rates mainly raise housing costs by pushing mortgage rates higher in an already strained housing market.
- Cohn described the AI build-out as massive but market-unfriendly in the near term when it causes revenue misses and sharp stock declines.
- He said midterm outcomes are too uncertain to forecast because recent polling and betting markets have been wrong in major elections.
Notable quotes
“I BELIEVE IT'S DATA DEPENDENT. BUT I THINK THE DATA WILL LEAD TO A HIKE”
“TIME IS ON THE FED'S SIDE. AND WHY DO I SAY THAT”
“INTEREST RATE POLICY IN ITSELF ISN'T GOING TO SOLVE THE INFLATION”
How the episode opens
The expectation is that she will be appointed the chair of the world economic forum next. — It's it's 802. And I was thinking you could easily stay till nine. Now, IBM vice chair Gary Cohn. He served as the director of the national economic council in the first trump administration. I know you know some some days you're hot to trot in a good way on things you want to talk about. And I was going to give you like a stack ranking of I mean, we could talk.
Wow. You're going to let me decide what I'm going to talk about. — Wow. — Wow. It's a whole new day. — I'm not supposed to be like that. Is it. Is it not a fed? I trade with the debt and the build out. Ron. The midterms. What is front and center? I mean, the fed. We just found out about that yesterday. You think december's there's going to be a hike. Or is it data dependent.
Look I believe it's data dependent. But I think the data will lead to a hike. You know, you go through that laundry list of things we could talk about.
And every everything on that list is a really legitimate topic, but it really leads to the underlying premise that we're in a highly volatile, unpredictable world right now. And there are a lot of balls up in the air. I think, you know, the chair of the fed tried to deal a little bit with that yesterday, a little bit in their statement saying we want to accumulate more economic data.
You know, because they understand the volatility. They understand what's going on here. You know time is on the fed's side.
And why do I say that.
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Topics
- fed inflation fight
- interest rate outlook
- inflation policy
- ai boom
- trump administration economics
Companies and tickers mentioned
- IBM
- IBM
- NEC
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