Episode summary
Vanguard’s Crypto ETF Access, Goldman’s ETF Deal, 5x Leverage Pushback & More
ETF Prime
· · Guests: Roxanna Islam, Petra Bakosova
Summary
The episode focused first on a wave of ETF industry developments: Vanguard’s decision to open brokerage access to spot crypto ETFs, Goldman Sachs’ $2 billion acquisition of Innovator ETFs, the SEC’s pushback on 5x leveraged filings, and the latest surge of single-asset and crypto index launches. Roxanna Islam argued that Vanguard’s reversal could unlock meaningful inflows because the firm’s 50 million customers were previously blocked from a fast-growing category, while also noting that the strongest demand has come from Solana and XRP products rather than meme-coin ETFs. She also said the market is likely to favor diversified crypto index funds over time, even if today’s demand is still modest.
The conversation then turned to Petra Bakosova and Hull Tactical’s HTUS, a daily tactical S&P 500 strategy built around roughly 40 “micro alpha” indicators spanning valuation, sentiment, macro, technicals, and volatility. Bakosova said the goal is to improve risk-adjusted returns without using excess leverage, particularly in choppy or down markets, while acknowledging that the strategy has lagged in powerful bull runs. She framed HTUS as a smarter core replacement for part of an S&P 500 allocation, though she warned it is best suited for tax-sheltered accounts because of taxable distributions.
Key takeaways
- Vanguard’s crypto ETF access could matter because Roxanna Islam said even partial uptake across 50 million customers could drive meaningful industry inflows.
- Roxanna Islam said Solana and XRP ETFs have attracted the strongest demand so far, while Dogecoin ETFs have been much softer.
- Roxanna Islam argued crypto index ETFs are likely to gain traction over time because they offer diversification and still carry mostly Bitcoin exposure.
- The SEC’s pushback on 5x leveraged ETF filings was unsurprising to Roxanna Islam, who said five times leverage is simply too aggressive for most products.
- Petra Bakosova said HTUS is designed to outperform the S&P 500 with less volatility, especially in sideways or bearish markets, not by taking more leverage.
- Bakosova said HTUS belongs mainly in tax-sheltered accounts because the strategy can generate significant dividends.
Notable quotes
“Vanguard has actually been pretty vocal against offering crypto ETFs on their platform”
“It's it's easy to just go leveraged and for significant portions of the year of the investment cycle, it's it's not a bad idea, but that's not what we're trying to do”
“what we're challenging is the notion that this exposure should be fixed and that the exposure should never change”
How the episode opens
It's it's easy to just go leveraged and for significant portions of the year of the investment cycle, it's it's not a bad idea, but that's not what we're trying to do. All right, joining me will be Roxanna Islam, head of sector and industry research at Vetify. And uh boy, I'll tell you, there were a number of noteworthy stories in the ETF space last week, including Goldman Sachs acquiring Innovator ETFs in a $2 billion deal.
By the way, $2 billion, a a monster number. We also saw Vanguard finally opening up brokerage access to spot crypto ETFs nearly two years after the first spot Bitcoin ETFs launched. Uh, let's see.
We had the SEC pretty strongly pushing back on these filings for five times leverage ETFs. There were a number of big stories and so Roxanna and I are going to bat these around a little bit and we have a few other ones to uh get to as well. Should be a lot of fun.
I'll then be joined by Petra Bakasova, CEO of Whole Tactical and portfolio manager of the Whole Tactical US ETF, ticker HTUS, which this offers tactical riskmanaged exposure to the S&P 500. And I thought this would be a very timely ETF and certainly a very timely topic to cover given that some of the recurring themes in the markets right now are these investor concerns around stock valuations and the topheaviness of the S&P 500. And I would describe the problem like this.
If you're an investor or you're a financial adviser, obviously having exposure to the S&P 500 has been highly beneficial. And so the question is, how do you maintain that exposure? Because the S&P 500, it could keep charging ahead just like it has been.
So how do you maintain that exposure but perhaps better manage some of the potential risks that are out there and also do so without bringing emotions into play, right?
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Topics
- crypto etfs
- brokerage access
- 5x leveraged etfs
- etf acquisitions
- tactical risk managed sp500
Companies and tickers mentioned
- GS
- Vanguard
- VettaFi
- Goldman Sachs
- Innovator ETFs
- Hull Tactical
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