Episode summary
Everything's Running Hot! (FvF Ep. 204)
Facts vs Feelings
· · 1 hr 1 min · Hosts: Ryan Detrick, Sonu Varghese
Summary
The hosts argued that the U.S. economy is still running hot, with the labor market as the clearest sign of strength. August payrolls rose by 162,000, prior months were revised higher, labor force participation ticked up to 61.6%, and unemployment held at 4.1%, keeping the rate below 4.5% for a record 59 straight months. They also pointed to a three-month pickup in job growth, stronger cyclical hiring in construction, manufacturing, professional business services, and leisure and hospitality, and a rebound in younger-worker employment as evidence that the slowdown narrative is overstated.
They pushed back on headlines about layoffs and tech weakness, arguing that announced cuts do not equal realized job losses and that software hiring remains healthier than the market assumes. The hosts also highlighted strong ISM manufacturing and services readings, with prices indexes still elevated, as support for the view that inflation pressure remains broad-based rather than fading quickly.
That backdrop leaves the Fed in a difficult spot. The hosts said markets are pricing meaningful odds of a hike, though they personally would not expect one, and they framed policy as tolerant of a hotter economy and roughly 3% core inflation. They also briefly discussed Lululemon’s weak results and paused to reflect on the 25th anniversary of 9/11.
Key takeaways
- August payrolls of 162,000 and upward revisions to prior months reinforced the hosts' view that the labor market is stronger than widely assumed.
- The unemployment rate stayed at 4.1%, extending a record 59 straight months below 4.5%, while labor force participation rose to 61.6%.
- The hosts said the job mix looked healthy, with cyclical sectors like construction, manufacturing, and professional business services doing much of the hiring.
- They argued tech layoff headlines are overstating weakness because announced cuts are not the same as realized layoffs and software hiring is still improving.
- ISM manufacturing at 54.6 and services at 55.4, with elevated prices components, suggest inflation and activity are both still running hot.
- The hosts said markets are pricing real odds of a Fed hike, even though they would personally lean against one.
Notable quotes
“Everything's running hot. We'll go with that”
“I think what's underrated is the labor market”
“I think even manufacturing the ISMP PMI index greater than 50 means this area is expanding, the sector is expanding”
How the episode opens
Welcome to the Facts Versus Feelings podcast. I'm your host Ryan Dietrich and I'm joined by my co-host Sonar Geese. Cutting through the noise each week with Ryan Dietrich, chief market strategist and Son of Varge Geese, chief macro strategist.
Taking out the boring and helping investors focus on what really matters. Well, it's hot out there, son. It was literally 100° in Cincinnati.
And episode 204 of Carson's Facts Versus Feelings. Everything's What do we call everything's running hot or everything's hot? What we call maybe running hot?
Nothing running hot. Everything's running hot. We'll go with that. Um, — You hate the heat. That's a little known fact about you. Someone might look at ah, he probably have a problem with the heat, you know, but you hate the heat, right?
I can't stand it. like the I I break out in a sweat like if it's like 80°. The nice thing about Chicago is now a nice 76 — And this is my good zone. — But there you go. — Yeah. Like there's a reason I'm in Chicago and I don't mind. Everyone complains about the weather. I mean, same thing. Cincinnati is not that much warmer than Chicago, right?
Everyone complains about the weather and I'm like, you know what? First of all, I don't like the heat. I don't like humidity — And I have allergies and everything's dead in the winter. So, winter's kind of like my best season.
Not wishing for winter to be clear, but I like where I am. — Well, there you go. I mean, listen. You don't like the heat. You don't like salad. You're allergic to wine. Those are some little known facts about after hanging out with you for four years, my friend.
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Topics
- august jobs report
- fed rate decision
- labor market tightness
- ism prices inflation
- commodity prices
Companies and tickers mentioned
- LULU
- Carson Group
- Lululemon
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