Episode summary
Oops...the China Trade War Is Back (Ep. 157)
Facts vs Feelings
· · Hosts: Ryan Detrick, Sonu Varghese
Summary
The host and a guest argued that U.S.-China tensions have shifted into what they called Trade War 3.0, with 100% tariffs, export restrictions, and China’s rare earth controls creating a fresh shock for markets. The guest said China is using rare earths as leverage because they are critical to chips, autos, defense systems, and industrial equipment, while the host noted that markets were already primed for volatility after a long stretch without a 1% move in the S&P 500.
They also framed the selloff as consistent with October seasonality rather than a new structural break. The guest pointed to China’s export data, which showed shipments to other regions still growing strongly even as exports to the U.S. fell, and argued that both sides believe they have leverage. They said the real risk is retaliation through sectors like U.S. soybeans, where China has stopped buying American supply and shifted to Brazil and Argentina.
Beyond trade, they marked the bull market’s third birthday, argued that the broader secular bull market may still be intact, and said AI investment remains a major GDP driver. The host and guest emphasized that Carson Group just surpassed $50 billion in assets under management, and they connected the AI boom to huge capital spending, cloud demand, and rising valuations across the market.
Key takeaways
- The guest said 100% tariffs and China’s rare earth restrictions amount to embargo-level escalation and could sharply disrupt trade.
- The host said October volatility is historically normal, and the recent S&P 500 swings fit that seasonal pattern.
- The guest argued China is retaliating where it has leverage, especially by cutting off U.S. soybean purchases and redirecting demand to Brazil and Argentina.
- The host said the bull market is still alive after three years and that fourth years have historically been stronger than third years.
- The guest said AI-related equipment and software spending already contributed about 1.1% to GDP growth in the first half of the year.
Notable quotes
“the trade war is back. Look, these are embargo level tariffs, right”
“China's moved to sort of weaponize railroads. I think it's been a while in the making”
“China's exports to the rest of the world rose 8% year-over-year in September”
“AI related equipment spending or investment when businesses spend as we say it's investment not spending”
How the episode opens
Welcome to the Facts Versus Feelings podcast. I'm your host Ryan Dietrich and I'm joined by my co-host Sonu Vargis. Cutting through the noise in 30 minutes each week with Ryan Dietrich, chief market strategist and Sona Vargis, VP global macro strategist.
Taking out the boring and helping investors focus on what really matters. A quick note before we start the show. Investment advisory services offered through CWM LLC, an SEC registered investment advisor.
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Oh. Oh, we're live. Sorry. Son, that's a joke on yesterday. I don't know if literally yesterday I'm on CNBC closing bell. All right. and they tell me you're coming on after you know so and so and so and so
And I'm sitting there like I don't know playing like little anxious stuff before you go on TV and I hear Mike Seni talking so I know he's talking and he's like we're here with you know so and so so and so and Ryan Dietra Carson and I've got my laptop down here bottom right and I kind of glance I'm on screen I'm on a screen with four faces I had no I cuz I knew they weren't going to come to me for like five minutes
Doing your hair or something like that — Who knows what I I Hope I won't do anything too bad. I don't I don't know. But like I'm literally on TV and didn't know I was on TV. Okay. — I did see the segment. So it it
Well, the segment was fine because I knew I was supposed to go after these two people. They're doing a check in and then told he's going to come to me.
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Topics
- trade war 3.0
- u.s.-china tariffs
- rare earth export restrictions
- october market volatility
- ai investment and gdp growth
Companies and tickers mentioned
- NVDA
- Nvidia
- OpenAI
- Carson Group
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