Episode summary
Winter is Here (Ep. 161)
Facts vs Feelings
· · Hosts: Ryan Detrick, Sonu Varghese
Summary
The hosts argued that the market backdrop remains constructive even with a noisy political and data environment. They expected the government shutdown to end within days, noted that split control in Congress has often coincided with stronger stocks, and framed the likely post-election gridlock as a market positive rather than a negative.
They spent much of the episode pushing back on gloomy sentiment. Consumer confidence, especially the Michigan survey, is near historic lows even though inflation has eased and the job market has not rolled over. The hosts argued that perception is far worse than the underlying data, and that frustration over still-high prices is doing more damage to sentiment than the economy itself.
They also said earnings are improving faster than expected, with S&P 500 profit growth revised up from 7.9% to 13%, helped by companies with heavy international exposure. They rejected the idea that the economy has become more “K-shaped” than before, and said recent layoff headlines have not yet translated into a materially worse labor market. Overall, they see multiple tailwinds into 2026, including easier policy, global growth, and a still-healthy bull market.
Key takeaways
- The hosts expect the government to reopen soon and said split-party outcomes have often been friendly to stocks.
- They said Michigan consumer sentiment is near record lows even though inflation has cooled and the labor market is still holding up.
- S&P 500 earnings growth was revised up from 7.9% to 13%, which the hosts read as a broad earnings tailwind.
- They argued the “K-shaped economy” story is overstated and that income and spending concentration have been in place for years.
- They said Challenger layoff announcements look scary, but initial claims and continuing claims still do not show a new surge in job losses.
Notable quotes
“I think gridlock is good. I think last November when the market rallied like crazy after President Trump won, it wasn't so much because he won”
“the reality that wasn't the worst buying opportunity looking back how much we're up since June of 22. I still am bullish because of that”
“people actually feel worse now Sonu than they did uh during the tech bubble implosion during the great financial crisis and during a 100-year pandemic”
“S&P 500 expected about 13%. By the way, that's much higher. I think at the end of September, expected earnings growth for this quarter was something like 8% or seven or eight”
“I don't buy this whole K-shaped thing. At least, you know, not any more than what was already K-shaped, right”
How the episode opens
Welcome to the Facts Versus Feelings podcast. I'm your host, Ryan Dietrich, and I'm joined by my co-host, Sonu Vargis. Cutting through the noise each week with Ryan Dietrich, chief market strategist, and Sona Vargis, VP, global macro strategist.
Taking out the boring and helping investors focus on what really matters. A quick note before we start the show. Investment advisory services offered through CWM LLC, an SEC registered investment adviser.
Carson Partners, a division of CWM LLC, is a nationwide partnership of adviserss. Well, episode 161 of Facts Versus Feelings is here. Sona, I looked outside and there's like two or three inches of snow in Cincinnati.
I don't know if winter is here is what we're going to call this or not, but winter is all of a sudden shown up. How's Chicago treating you? It's cold.
That's how it's treating me. It's cold, but you know, I have allergies and spring and fall are my worst seasons. Okay.
So, in winter, everything's dead. So, I thrive. But looks like the market's thriving, too.
How's that for a sec? Right. The market's thriving as well.
No, that's that's a good way to put it. I mean, there's so much to talk about. We're going to dive all in.
You know, let's let's start with uh the government potentially reopening, right? We were recording this on what is today? The uh 10th.
November 10th. Uh it sure looks like the government's going to be opening sometime later this week. The market is popping nicely on Monday.
Hey, we're going to talk about last week and the sell off and tech stuff, but what's your um I guess you're how excited are you? Let's be honest. Let's let's amongst Fritz.
You haven't had a bunch of economic data to dive into like you normally do for well 41 days or so, 42 days.
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Topics
- government reopening
- consumer sentiment
- earnings growth
- political gridlock
- labor market stability
Companies and tickers mentioned
- S&P 500
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