Episode summary
Part 1: Exclusive: Ash Williams CIO Hall of Fame Special Session
Summary
Ash Williams traces his path from a Florida legislative aide to a long career in public investing, arguing that regulatory experience is a powerful foundation for fiduciary work. He says his early exposure to banking and securities regulation during the S&L crisis taught him the importance of capital strength, documentation, and staying within the boundaries of propriety when handling other people’s money.
He also describes how the Florida State Board of Administration broadened the pension fund over time, first adding equities and later expanding into international and emerging markets, private assets, and more diversified public and private portfolios. Williams says the point was not to chase trends but to build a culture that prizes independent judgment, truth-seeking, and disciplined execution, including the willingness to buy into dislocated markets when valuations justify it.
A major theme is corporate governance. Williams recounts the Darden Restaurants fight as an example of shareholder activism aimed at aligning management with owners’ interests, not just opposing management for its own sake. He also explains why he returned to Florida: family roots, a desire to raise his youngest daughter in North Florida, and the chance to apply a much broader toolkit after years at Schroders and Fir Tree Partners.
Key takeaways
- Williams says regulatory work gave him a durable framework for fiduciary investing by teaching him the boundaries of propriety and the importance of safety and soundness.
- He says Florida’s pension authority evolved from Treasury and investment-grade bonds into equities, emerging markets, and other diversifiers through legislative change.
- Williams argues that being a successful allocator means resisting consensus and building a culture that values independent truth-seeking over popular narratives.
- He cites the Mexican peso crisis as a case where the Florida fund bought distressed Latin American equities and, with prudent sizing, earned a return north of 40%.
- On Darden Restaurants, Williams says activism and proxy voting can work when management is underperforming and resistant to change.
- He says the state board’s in-house management, about 45% of assets, helps hold down costs and improve net returns.
Notable quotes
“the highest duty of any investor is to know the truth. markets, understand opportunities, understand risks, and separate the narrative”
“if consensus is unanimous and everybody loves something, it's almost certainly too late”
“the return on that move over the next year or so, as I remember, was north of 40%”
“that's a classic example of doing well by doing good”
How the episode opens
Hi, I'm Christine Giordano. Markets Group recently inducted Ashbel Williams into the Chief Investment Officer Hall of Fame. Not only was Ash a pivotal CIO for the Florida SBA, he has held many other roles throughout his career that have given him a broad and a deep perspective.
He's also been a great mentor to many in the industry across the world. He now is vice chair of JP Morgan Asset Management. But it's important to note that Ash was one of the most nominated CIOs for the CIO Hall of Fame award since its inception 3 years ago.
It's an award where the honoree is nominated throughout our canvassing efforts with CIOs across the world. And as part of the process, we recorded part one and part two of this podcast with Ash as a way of capturing some of his life stories and the choices that he made along the way. At the end of part two, we will have some fun.
We will be asking Ash some questions that were sent in for this podcast from CIOs across the United States. We hope you enjoy it.
I'm here with Ash Williams. He's now the vice chair of JP Morgan Asset Management. But he's also one of the most peer nominated CIOs for the Hall of Fame award from his time at the Florida SBA.
Some call Ash the goat or the greatest of all time. When he worked there, he spent decades of his life and brought the funds back to health after the Great Financial Crisis. And as chair of the Council of Institutional Investors, he united the industry to align management activities to place importance on shareholder value objectives.
Now, before he was executive director and before he was chief investment officer of Florida, Ash began his early career as a legislative aide.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- cio career journey
- financial crisis decisions
- fund diversification
- corporate governance
- activism and engagement
Companies and tickers mentioned
- DRI
- Darden Restaurants
Watch the episode
Watch “Part 1: Exclusive: Ash Williams CIO Hall of Fame Special Session” on YouTube
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