Episode summary

Is The AI Trade Over? | Jack & Max on Panic in AI Credit, SpaceX Earnings, and Semis

Monetary Matters · · Hosts: Jack, Max

Is The AI Trade Over? | Jack & Max on Panic in AI Credit, SpaceX Earnings, and Semis – Monetary Matters

Summary

The discussion centered on whether the AI trade is genuinely breaking down or just moving through a painful reset. The hosts argued that the selloff in semiconductors, AI-linked stocks, and especially AI credit has been driven by a mix of slower-than-expected revenue growth from Anthropic, rising memory supply from China, and anxiety around how much debt the data-center buildout can support. They emphasized that the pessimism is showing up more clearly in credit markets than in equities, with CoreWeave bonds and other AI-linked financings under pressure.

A major reference point was SpaceX’s earnings call, which they interpreted as still bullish for compute demand. The hosts highlighted Elon Musk’s comments about adding 10 gigawatts online in 2027 and potentially 20 gigawatts of incremental power and cooling, arguing that if those numbers prove accurate, they would support semiconductors and AI infrastructure. At the same time, they warned that the market may be underestimating how much of the current AI buildout depends on financing, permitting, and physical constraints rather than just model demand.

They also pushed back on the idea that the whole AI trade is over. Their view was that Anthropic’s slower growth is concerning but not fatal, that some of the headline losses are accounting-driven, and that many investors are rotating out of crowded AI positions into defensives rather than fleeing the market entirely. The episode ended with a cautious but still constructive stance: the near-term trade may be shaky, but a true collapse is not their base case.

Key takeaways

  • The hosts said the AI selloff is being driven more by credit stress and growth concerns than by a true collapse in demand.
  • They argued that SpaceX’s reported compute ambitions, if realized, would be bullish for Nvidia and the broader semiconductor complex.
  • They said CoreWeave-style AI financing is where the market is expressing the most fear, with unsecured bonds pricing in a severe default scenario.
  • They cautioned that Anthropic’s slower revenue growth is a warning sign, but not proof that AI demand has rolled over.
  • They said the market’s rotation into healthcare, financials, and insurance looks more like positioning flow than a permanent earnings re-rating.

Notable quotes

“My short answer is no, Max. I'm uh just checking to make sure that we are live on all platforms, which we are”

— A speaker on Monetary Matters at 1:54

“there's been a panic in AI from anthropic releasing its Q3 revenue numbers that were below expectations”

— A speaker on Monetary Matters at 4:07

“those bonds um the unsecured bonds 2032s pricing in a roughly 60% of default cumulatively from now uh until 2032”

— A speaker on Monetary Matters at 3:55

“I think the S&P, a decline of 20% is conservative for the S&P. I think it probably declines 30% or even more”

— A speaker on Monetary Matters at 15:29

“I think it is likely that during the dot bubble you had sellside the sellside analyst give as numbers that were too high”

— A speaker on Monetary Matters at 1:11:05

How the episode opens

This episode is brought to you by Simaria Partners, who run manages a return to tangibles ETF, ticker LES, the Seraya thematic ETF built for a return to tangibles. Learn more at surmiaetf.com, and see the show notes for disclosures. Let's get into it.

Max, thanks for having me, Jack. I am excited to be here. We just had SpaceX report earnings, and generally there's just a lot of concern about whether the AI trade is dead.

got a lot of big earnings reports coming up in the weeks ahead that I think are going to help us determine some of the answers to that question. Obviously, Coreeave and how the bonds have been trading is top of mind for everybody. Uh certainly if you were listening to that SpaceX call um it sounded pretty bullish and we talked about some some pretty large numbers of gigawatts that Elon is planning to bring on and he even put out an even bigger number that could be out there um in by the end of 2027.

So we could get as much as 20 gigawatts. Um SpaceX up, semiconductors up, Nvidia is up a lot. I think a lot of people are are saying that you know pretty much 100% of that new uh compute would be coming from Nvidia chips.

So a lot of exciting things to talk about. Um I guess also yeah we we did get the anthropic S1 recently. So this is going to be mostly uh AI today.

So I I just want to start out with the big question for you Jack. You have been quite the AI bull. I mean do you think that the AI trade is dead?

My short answer is no, Max. I'm uh just checking to make sure that we are live on all platforms, which we are.

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Topics

  • ai trade
  • ai-linked credit
  • data center debt
  • spacex earnings
  • semiconductor stocks

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • SpaceX
  • Ares Management

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