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Inside Economics Podcast #302- Survey Says...

Moodys Inside Economics · · Hosts: Mark, Matt Colyar · Guests: John Leer

Inside Economics Podcast #302- Survey Says... – Moodys Inside Economics

Summary

The discussion centered on how the Iran war and higher energy prices have reshaped inflation, consumer sentiment, and the policy debate. The host and an analyst argued that the shock is still mostly showing up through gasoline, diesel, transportation, and imported inputs, with headline CPI running hotter while grocery inflation has been surprisingly soft because consumers are trading down and demand is weakening in some categories. They also said the more persistent inflation risk would come from second-order effects, such as wages, but that those signs have not clearly materialized yet.

John Leer said Morning Consult’s surveys show a broad deterioration in sentiment since the Iran war, after consumers had briefly improved as tariff uncertainty eased. He said the weakness is spreading beyond lower-income households and is now visible across many regions, with Republicans recently turning more negative as the conflict has persisted. He also said consumer worries are increasingly tied to affordability, housing, and data centers, which he sees as a potentially important political and regulatory issue.

On policy, the panel debated whether the Federal Reserve should tighten further. The analyst said AI-related inflation is visible in import prices and capital goods, but that higher rates may not slow AI much and could instead weaken the rest of the economy. Leer said the consumer is still hanging tough, but only because households are making increasingly careful spending adjustments and allocating away from housing and other big expenses.

Key takeaways

  • The analyst said the Iran war is still the primary driver of hotter inflation, but the broadening into wages and services has not clearly appeared yet.
  • John Leer said Morning Consult sees sentiment weakening broadly, with the latest drop tied to higher gas prices and a longer run of affordability concerns.
  • The analyst said AI is showing up more clearly in import prices and capital goods than in consumer CPI, which makes its inflation impact less direct.
  • Leer said Republicans have turned more negative over the last 2 or 3 months, and he sees that showing up in state-level support for Trump in places like Texas and Kansas.
  • The panel argued that higher rates may not meaningfully slow AI investment and could instead hit the non-AI parts of the economy harder.

Notable quotes

“elevated gas prices was kind of the um the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak”

— John Leer at 34:34

“The Iran war is really a um pretty universally hated in terms of people's”

— John Leer at 48:29

“there's a lot of people are responding very differently and I think it speaks to this labor market story again”

— John Leer at 46:55

“we really see people who are using AI in the workplace as by and large saying that it is um you know complimentary to their work”

— John Leer at 1:12:56

Topics

  • consumer sentiment
  • ai and data centers
  • job market
  • cpi and ppi
  • midterm elections

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • MCO
  • Morning Consult
  • Moody’s Corporation

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