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Inside Economics Podcast #305- Strong on Paper

Moodys Inside Economics · · Hosts: Mark, Marisa, Cris, Matt Colyar

Inside Economics Podcast #305- Strong on Paper – Moodys Inside Economics

Summary

The panel argued that the economy looks stronger on paper than it feels underneath. Third-quarter real GDP rose 3.4% annualized, helped by consumer spending, a 1.8 percentage point boost from business investment tied to AI infrastructure, and a large 1.6 point inventory contribution, while net trade subtracted more than 3 points. At the same time, September personal spending was flat in real terms, real disposable income fell, and the saving rate slipped to 3.8%, which raised concerns about how much momentum can carry into the fourth quarter.

Inflation was still running above target, with headline PCE at 3.6% year over year and core PCE at 3.1%, but most of the recent pressure was framed as supply-driven rather than demand-driven. The group pointed to energy, airfare, hotel rates, housing, and AI-related goods prices as the main sources of the overshoot. Mark argued that the Fed cannot easily fix those forces with higher rates, while the others said the AI boom may be becoming more rate-sensitive as credit conditions tighten and markets scrutinize valuations.

On policy, the panel said the FOMC’s upgrade from “solid” to “strong” growth was too optimistic, even if the data are holding up better than feared. They also discussed the Fed’s plan to shift some 2027 meetings away from rate decisions toward strategy sessions, and they ended on the market selloff, which they viewed as a pause driven by rising skepticism about AI spending rather than a confirmed crash.

Key takeaways

  • Mark and the panel see Q3 GDP as strong but distorted by AI-related investment, inventories, and trade, not broad-based momentum.
  • September real spending was flat and real disposable income fell, reinforcing the view that consumer growth may weaken in Q4.
  • Core PCE at 3.1% year over year was still above target, but the panel said much of the gap reflects energy, housing, airfare, hotels, and AI-linked supply pressures.
  • Mark argued higher Fed rates cannot directly fix supply shocks, while Chris and Marissa said AI spending may now be more sensitive to credit and market pressure.
  • The group thought the FOMC’s word change from “solid” to “strong” overstated the economy’s underlying condition.
  • They saw the equity pullback as a credibility check on AI valuations and spending rather than proof of a broader market collapse.

Notable quotes

“3.4% annualized rate in the third quarter. That's the strongest quarterly pace that we've seen for real GDP growth in the US since 2025”

— A speaker on Moodys Inside Economics at 2:25

“the consumer is okay, but is running out of gas”

— A speaker on Moodys Inside Economics at 14:11

“I always say it's strong on paper”

— A speaker on Moodys Inside Economics at 42:50

“the Fed shouldn't be raising interest rates or if it if it does raise rates, it should it should be one and done here”

— A speaker on Moodys Inside Economics at 39:58

“there is a real concern in the FOMC about the inflation uh budding inflation”

— A speaker on Moodys Inside Economics at 40:52

Topics

  • gdp
  • pce
  • consumer spending
  • labor market
  • employment cost index

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • MCO
  • Moody’s Corporation

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