Episode summary
Ivy Zelman: The Queen of Housing Still Reigns
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· · Hosts: Danny Moses · Guests: Ivy Zelman
Summary
Ivy Zelman argued that the post-midterm rally in homebuilder stocks was driven more by sentiment and short covering than by a real change in housing fundamentals. She said a Democratic sweep would do little to fix affordability because the main barriers are local: impact fees, environmental fees, zoning, and other regulatory costs that the federal government cannot quickly undo. Lower mortgage rates would help, but she stressed that even a 50 basis point decline only meaningfully improves monthly payments at the margin.
She said the housing market is still dealing with weak consumer confidence, uneven demand, and a six-year stretch of flat prices in many areas. Public builders now control roughly 53% of the market, but she thinks their share growth may have peaked. She was more constructive on single-family rentals and manufactured housing, while saying home centers, building products, and REITs remain pressured until rates and transaction activity improve.
Zelman also warned that demographics and immigration trends are a long-term drag, and she said the AI boom looks increasingly euphoric and reminiscent of past bubbles. If stocks roll over, she thinks housing could eventually benefit from a rotation out of equities, but a recession would still be a problem for the sector.
Key takeaways
- Zelman said the midterm-driven builder rally was mostly short covering, not a fundamental turnaround in housing.
- She said affordability improves through lower rates, lower home prices, or faster income growth, and rate cuts are the fastest lever.
- She sees public builders at about 53% of the market, but believes their share gains may have peaked.
- She was more constructive on single-family rentals and manufactured housing than on home centers, building products, or REITs.
- She warned that demographic pressure and stalled immigration could slow household growth beyond 2030.
Notable quotes
“we don't think that the Dem sweep is going to do much of anything to really improve housing”
“there's really three ways to improve affordability. It's either home prices are coming down, mortgage rates are coming down, or incomes are going to grow faster than home prices”
“the public builders now control 53% roughly of kind of all home”
“I feel like we're back in ' 06 as it relates to the stock market”
How the episode opens
Welcome to the On the Tape podcast. I'm your host Danny Moses and it was exactly a year ago that Ivy Zelman was last on the pod. And it's perfect timing to have her back on again given what just transpired in the midterm elections and what it actually might mean for the housing sector above and beyond just moving interest rates.
For those not familiar with Ivy, she's been covering the housing sector for decades through many cycles, including the great financial crisis, and is widely considered the best analyst in her field. I met Ivy during her Credit Swiss days in the mid 2000s, preceding the GFC, and she was instrumental in helping guide our team at Frontpoint through the housing calamity with her invaluable research and contacts throughout the sector. Following her time at Credit Swiss, Ivy started Zelman and Associates and ran that as an independent housing research and investment banking firm until she sold her firm to Walker and Dunlap in 2021, where you will find her and her team today still producing the best housing and housing related research on the street.
Ivy shares her takeaways from the housing summit she recently hosted in Boston with top executive and investors in the industry as well as what her recent surveys are telling her. It's a pleasure to welcome Ivy back to the pod. So, please enjoy this episode of On the Tape.
Ivy, this is your fourth appearance on the tape and it's been exactly a year since you were last on. Welcome back.
Thanks for having me. Can't believe it's been a year already. Wow, — That's crazy. A lot has happened. So, we have a lot to get to. I want to start with what just happened in the midterm elections and the impact that it might have on housing.
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Topics
- housing affordability
- midterm election impact
- mortgage rates
- federal housing agencies
- zoning and impact fees
Companies and tickers mentioned
- WD
- FNMA
- FMCC
- Walker & Dunlop
- Fannie Mae
- Freddie Mac
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