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Strauss Zelnick on GTA VI, Take-Two's Turnaround and AI | The David Rubenstein Show
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· · 24 min · Hosts: David Rubenstein · Guests: Strauss Zelnick
Summary
Strauss Zelnick says Grand Theft Auto VI is the culmination of a franchise he believes is “probably the most valuable intellectual property in the entertainment business” because of its global reach. He argues that great video games are easy to approach but hard to master, and that the appeal of Grand Theft Auto is its scale, competition and depth. He stops short of promising a record launch, but says Rockstar has been working diligently and that the result should be judged after Nov. 19.
He also revisits how Take-Two was turned around from a distressed, heavily scrutinized company into one with multiple major franchises and a much larger revenue base. Zelnick says the turnaround started with cost cuts, compliance, and a clearer creative strategy, while keeping strong development teams in place. He frames scale as essential in entertainment, but argues Take-Two is now large enough to compete independently.
Zelnick rejects the idea that video games cause violence, says he is open to streaming distribution, and is selective about any movie or TV adaptations of Take-Two intellectual property. He also says AI and other technologies will not destroy jobs, because productivity growth ultimately supports employment. The conversation closes with his reflections on fitness, mentoring, family and why he has no interest in retirement.
Key takeaways
- Strauss Zelnick says Grand Theft Auto VI could be judged only after Nov. 19, even though he calls GTA the most valuable IP in entertainment.
- Zelnick says Take-Two was turned around by cutting costs, enforcing compliance and building new franchises, eventually growing from about $700 million of revenue to over $8 billion.
- He argues there is “neither correlation nor causation” between video game violence and real-world behavior, citing scientific testing.
- Zelnick says AI will not reduce employment, because productivity growth drives GDP and ultimately jobs.
- He says Take-Two is large enough to remain independent, with annual revenue guidance of 8.2 billion and a balance sheet that should become net cash.
Notable quotes
“Grand Theft Auto franchise as a whole is probably the most valuable intellectual property in the entertainment business of any type because of its enormous reach to consumers worldwide”
“We cut the cost by $40 million a year. We're trying to $700 million revenue base was a lot at that time”
“There's neither correlation nor causation, no evidence whatsoever”
“There is zero evidence that technology reduces employment. To the contrary. Great technology drives productivity”
How the episode opens
How's your week then? Nope. Nothing good happened yet.
Was your birthday this week? I don't count those. That's a bad example.
The best part about being an interview is you get to meet a lot of interesting people. Very often, you have a chance to meet people you wouldn't otherwise get to meet and to see what makes them tick. I didn't really see myself as an interviewer initially.
It's very interesting to me is finding out why certain people who became leaders became leaders. How did they rise up from nowhere to somewhere? Next week, one of the most anticipated video game releases of all time will occur.
Take-Two will release Grand Theft Auto six. Take-Two is led by Strauss Zelnick, who turned the company around and made it now one of the most profitable and largest video game companies in the world had a chance recently to sit down with Strauss to talk about his career in motion pictures, his career in video games, and his strength as a great fitness advocate. As somebody that hasn't played video game is very much in my life.
What would be the appeal to someone like me, an older guy, by playing a video game like the one that you're about to launch? It's a great question. We think that great video games are easy to approach and difficult to master, and I think Grand Theft Auto really sets the standard for that.
Almost anyone can jump right in and enjoy it, because it's this big world where you can do many things, and very few people can actually master the title, because when you really dive into its competitive framework, it's a really challenging game. And the best, I'm told, is yet to come because you have something coming out in November very shortly called Grand Theft Auto six.
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Topics
- gta vi release
- video game industry
- take-two turnaround
- ai in entertainment
- intellectual property
Companies and tickers mentioned
- TTWO
- Take-Two Interactive
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