Episode summary
Episode 349: Alison Taylor of NY Stern School of Business - Corporate Responsibility and Doing th...
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· · 35 min · Hosts: Aoifinn Devitt · Guests: Alison Taylor
Summary
Alison Taylor, clinical professor at NYU Stern, argues that the hardest corporate questions in 2026 are not about slogans but about incentives, culture, and what a “good business” actually looks like in a polarized world. She says her background as a corruption and fraud investigator taught her that facts matter less than leadership and group behavior, and that firms often rationalize almost anything to defend value.
Her book Higher Ground tries to reconcile three conversations that usually happen separately: shareholder value, sustainability, and employee behavior. Taylor says ESG was oversold as an investing strategy, while DEI was often implemented and framed in ways that made it easier to attack. Even so, she thinks climate risk, human rights, and corporate hypocrisy remain real issues, and she argues that younger workers are especially alert to inauthenticity and performative messaging.
A major theme is AI. Taylor sees it as a broad, messy force that is already affecting classrooms, jobs, and management, but she doubts companies are thinking deeply enough about how it changes work, learning, and human judgment. She expects many firms to muddle through unless they focus less on labels like “chief AI officer” and more on redesigning roles, protecting dignity, and preserving critical thinking.
Key takeaways
- Taylor says the key governance mistake is treating people as good or bad instead of looking at incentives, structures, and group behavior.
- She argues ESG was oversold, but climate risk and sustainability concerns are not going away because physical reality still exists.
- Taylor says DEI and sustainability need more credible, defensible, and rigorous approaches if companies want younger employees to trust them.
- She thinks AI is being adopted too fast and too shallowly, often as a cost-cutting tool rather than a redesign of work and learning.
- Taylor believes corporate America is unusually nervous in 2026 because polarization, public scrutiny, and government retaliation risks are all rising.
Notable quotes
“If you do that job, you find out that the facts don't matter nearly as much as leadership and culture”
“I think there are very complex dynamics going on. It is a bit more complicated than that and I think we're heading into a pretty chaotic year”
“I was always pretty skeptical about ESG as an investing strategy. I do think we oversold it”
“my students are obsessed with authenticity. I hear the word performative once a week at least”
“AI is often compared to nuclear and you know, in terms of energy, in terms of how transformational it is”
How the episode opens
This podcast series is kindly sponsored by Evston Capital. For over 20 years, Evston Capital has had a key focus in identifying early stage investment managers it believes are capable of generating long-term value added returns in complex innovative strategy areas. This series is also sponsored by Alvine Capital.
Alvine Capital is a specialist investment manager and placement boutique with a particular focus on alternative assets, a significant presence in London and Stockholm. It looks as if a certain sector of society that has less power is willing to stand up and a certain sector of society that has a lot of power is not willing to stand up. I'm Ethan Devit and welcome to the 50 Faces podcast.
A podcast committed to revealing the richness and diversity of the world of investment by focusing on its people and their stories. I'm joined today by Allison Taylor whose clinical professor at the New York Stern School of Business. Her LinkedIn profile describes her as having lots of other hats and even more opinions.
She's author of higher ground, how business can do the right thing in a turbulent world and has a successful Substack as well as being a member of multiple governanceoriented boards such as the Financial Times moral money advisory board as well as holding senior adviser roles at KKR and Unilver among others. Welcome Allison. Thanks for joining me today.
Ethan, it's such a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for having me. Well, let's start with a little bit about your background because I've only got to know you through your LinkedIn profile, the growing one, and I'd love to know a little bit about how you entered into this field.
Oh gosh. I mean, without going on and on about my career, we can skip over my 20ies.
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Topics
- corporate responsibility
- corporate governance
- leadership and culture
- diversity and sustainability
- ai impact
Companies and tickers mentioned
- KKR
- UL
- MSFT
- KKR
- Unilever
- Substack
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