Episode summary
Episode 379: BONUS Episode - Jenny Segal on Motivation: The Blueprint for Success
The Fiftyfaces Podcast
· · 17 min · Guests: Jenny Segal
Summary
Jenny Segal says her sixth book, On Motivation – The Blueprint for Success, grew out of interviews she has conducted with more than 300 people across finance and other fields. What started as an effort to understand workplace culture and good leadership turned into a broader attempt to define success and identify the traits that drive it. She argues that the common assumption that success equals money does not hold up in the research, and that many people feel like outliers for not buying into that view.
The book breaks success into five dimensions and a six-part “blueprint,” including foundation, connector, operator, mind, engine, and shadow traits. Jenny Segal says the most powerful cluster may be shadow traits such as competitiveness or perfectionism, because they are least admitted but can strongly influence achievement. She also says the “engine” — what drives people — showed up most consistently across the interviews.
Beyond the book, Jenny Segal links the findings to a wider critique of short-term thinking in business and society. She says this focus on money distorts decision-making, worsens problems like climate change, and creates unhappiness. Her aim is to prompt readers to think differently, see that they have agency, and push businesses toward balancing people, profit, and planet.
Key takeaways
- Jenny Segal says her research across 300+ interviews suggests success is multidimensional, not simply financial.
- She argues that people often think they are unusual for rejecting the idea that money equals success.
- Her six-part blueprint highlights “shadow traits” like perfectionism and competitiveness as unusually powerful drivers of achievement.
- Jenny Segal says the most effective workplace motivation comes from purpose, team belonging, and clear contribution to the business mission.
- She wants businesses to align short-term incentives with long-term sustainability and human flourishing.
Notable quotes
“it was in writing that up with the purpose of being writing a talk that I ended up writing my first book”
“I've now interviewed over 300 people and these are typically 45 minute plus views across the six books”
“success is not all about money and yet we live in a world that often equates the two”
“the one that really shot up was the shadow traits”
“the overriding message is that success is not about money. It does not equate to money”
How the episode opens
But what was really interesting and this led into broader work was this overarching theme people saying I know I'm going to be an outlier but it's not about money. And when you unpick that it's really interesting because people are first of all saying that they think it is supposed to be about money. So we live in a society that bangs the drum about how it's about money.
If you haven't got money you're not successful. People don't find that to be true. And so there's a dissonance around it.
And they also think they're the outlier. They think they're the only one that doesn't fit into that societal view of that success equals money.
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Topics
- motivation
- book writing
- success blueprint
- interviews
- professional insights
Companies and tickers mentioned
- AMZN
- Amazon
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