Episode summary
Aswath Damodaran: I Am More Cautious Than Ever
The Master Investor Podcast With Wilfred Frost
· · 54 min · Hosts: Wilfred Frost · Guests: Aswath Damodaran
Summary
Aswath Damodaran says equity markets look richly priced because institutional trust has been eroding since 2008 and the post-Second World War economic order is breaking down without a clear replacement. He argues the market is too relaxed about that transition risk, and says his own portfolio now holds more cash than at any time in his career, though still only about 15% rather than an extreme defensive stance.
He is cautious on both sides of the AI trade. On the buildout, he thinks the industry is pouring money into an enormous factory without a clear product or business model, so he wants to see real earnings before assigning value. On the users, he argues AI will not automatically lift margins because once everyone has access to the same tool, the competitive advantage disappears and profit compression can follow.
Damodaran also defends buybacks as flexible dividends and says they are usually better than forcing companies to maintain rigid payout policies. He is sceptical of private credit as a trillion-dollar industry and expects a cleanup, but not a 2008-style banking shock. Despite his macro caution, he still owns five of the Magnificent 7 and says he is not trying to time the market; instead, he separates his market view from individual stock valuation.
Key takeaways
- Damodaran says his biggest concern is the loss of trust in institutions, which makes the market too richly priced in his view.
- He says he has more cash than ever, but only about 15%, because he is harvesting gains rather than trying to time a crash.
- He is sceptical that AI builders can earn attractive returns before the business model is proven, especially after massive capex spending.
- He argues AI will often compress margins for users because if everybody has it, nobody has it.
- He thinks buybacks have done more good than bad for US markets because they return flexible cash and support capital reallocation.
Notable quotes
“I probably have more cash as a personal portfolio now than I've had perhaps at any time in history”
“there's a time to harvest. And to me, this is a harvesting time”
“If everybody has it, nobody has it”
“I think buybacks have done more good than bad”
“investing is about preserving and growing wealth. It's not about getting rich”
How the episode opens
Institutional trust has been cracking since 2008. We no longer trust institutions whether they be central banks, governments, any institution the way we used to. And that's not a good place for financial markets to be when you lose trust in the institutions that are supposed to keep your currency afloat.
I think we're at at a juncture here because an economic world order that was built after the Second World War is basically coming apart. we have nothing to replace it with yet. So there is this big risk hanging out there and the market seems to be pretty blasze about it.
So from that perspective, I do think the market is too richly priced. I probably have more cash as a personal portfolio now than I've had perhaps at any time in history.
So that gauges that you are — While you invest in companies, you're as cautious as you've been for your entire career. — Yeah.
Wow. Because and and here's here's the reason. I think one of the things in investing we need is perspective.
I look at my portfolio today. I look at it 5 years ago, 10 years ago. And I have to remind myself not to get greedy.
There's a lot of profits built into my portfolio now that maybe it's a time to harvest as opposed to sewing more crops. That there's a time to harvest. And to me, this is a harvesting time.
I think if you if you look back at human history, some of the greatest know discoveries came from people having idle minds trying to make connections. What makes humans different from machines and in many ways better than machines is capacity to connect disconnected things and come up with something whole. And I think we're not giving ourselves enough room to to have idle minds.
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Topics
- equity market caution
- market trust and institutions
- ai capex and profitability
- holding cash and harvesting gains
- gold signals
Companies and tickers mentioned
- NVDA
- AAPL
- AMZN
- GOOGL
- GOOG
- Nvidia
- Apple
- Amazon
- Alphabet
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