Episode summary
Should You Buy Space X? | IPO Special
The Master Investor Podcast With Wilfred Frost
· · Hosts: Wilfred Frost · Guests: Morgan Brennan, Dan Ives, Nicolas Owens, Larry McDonald
Summary
The episode centers on SpaceX’s planned IPO, described as the largest in history, with about $80 billion of fresh capital and a valuation near $1.8 trillion. The host frames the deal as a bet on Elon Musk’s ability to turn a space-launch company into a vertically integrated platform spanning launch, Starlink connectivity, and AI infrastructure.
One guest argues that the core rocket business has already proven its moat, with reusable launch and Starlink giving SpaceX a structural cost advantage. That view extends to the idea that space-based data centers could eventually become commercially viable, making the current valuation a claim on a very large future market rather than on current earnings.
A more cautious guest pushes back on the AI assumptions behind much of the $28.5 trillion total addressable market, saying the space and broadband businesses are solid but the AI segment is far more uncertain and capital-intensive. The host also highlights the governance issue: Elon Musk is expected to retain overwhelming control, while index inclusion could force passive buying and add short-term trading pressure around the listing.
The final discussion widens to market impact, with the argument that such a huge offering could drain liquidity from tech and broader equity markets even if the IPO is ultimately absorbed successfully.
Key takeaways
- The host says SpaceX is targeting about $80 billion of fresh capital at a near-$1.8 trillion valuation, making it the biggest IPO ever.
- One guest argues SpaceX’s launch business has a durable cost advantage because of reusable rockets and scale, which lowers access-to-space costs for the whole industry.
- A guest from Morningstar values SpaceX at $780 billion, saying the main uncertainty is whether space-based AI data centers become commercially viable.
- One guest warns the IPO could pull liquidity out of tech and broader equity markets because the offering is so large and the float is small.
- The host notes that Elon Musk is expected to keep roughly 80% to 85% of the voting rights, intensifying governance concerns.
Notable quotes
“the space business is very much a pioneering business and I think it also speaks to this idea of when Elon Musk says he's going to set out and do something he's not necessarily going to do it”
“I think the biggest takeaway here though is that from Earth to space, Elon Musk is building out a hardware and software vertically integrated um nextgen tech opportunity”
How the episode opens
The space business is very much a pioneering business and I think it also speaks to this idea of when Elon Musk says he's going to set out and do something he's not necessarily going to do it and the crazy forecast that he puts forward but he almost always does it. Uh, and the space business within SpaceX, I think, is a good example of that because even right now, what they're designing with Starship, the next generation rocket, which unlocks the future overall for SpaceX and this like huge, hefty valuation that they're asking for as they come public. All of that has been said by everybody else to not be possible.
And yet, they've done it and now they dominate the market. And so, it puts them in a key tentpole position to now be able to go out and carve out other pieces of the market. Hello and welcome to this special episode of the Master Investor podcast where we focus on the SpaceX IPO.
By this Friday, the 12th of June, it will be the biggest IPO of all time, set to raise about $80 billion of fresh capital, valuing SpaceX at some $1.8 trillion. to debate the attractions and detractions of this IPO. We are joined by four fantastic guests.
My former colleague and friend from CNBC, Morgan Brennan, the host of Morning Call, but also the network's lead anchor when it comes to space. Then to outline the bull case, we'll be joined by Dan Ies of Wedbush Securities, who you'll know from previous episodes, followed for the Bear Case by Morning Stars Nicholas Owens. And to round things off, another friend of the show, Larry McDonald of the Bear Traps Report, who will outline what he thinks this mammoth IPO will mean for the broader markets.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- space spacex ipo
- ipo valuation
- space industry economics
- market impact
- bull vs bear case
Companies and tickers mentioned
- SpaceX
- BNY Investments
- World Gold Council
- London Stock Exchange Group (LSEG)
- Interactive Brokers
Watch the episode
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