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Dan Ives on AI, Tesla, SpaceX, Coreweave, and more

The Pomp Podcast · · Hosts: Anthony Pompliano · Guests: Dan Ives

Dan Ives on AI, Tesla, SpaceX, Coreweave, and more – The Pomp Podcast

Summary

Dan Ives argues that the AI trade remains fundamentally stronger than the recent volatility suggests, and that the selloff in Korea and in U.S. neocloud names has been driven more by leverage, narrative fear, and higher rates than by collapsing demand. He points to a roughly 30% jump in memory demand over the last four to six weeks, says Korean retail and global investors are finally discovering the market, and expects the Kospi to make new all-time highs next year. He also believes the Street is underestimating earnings growth by 15% to 25% over the next 12 to 18 months.

He says the bears are right that higher yields raise the cost of capital, but wrong to think that debt concerns will break the AI buildout. In his view, hyperscaler capex, enterprise AI use cases, and the move from infrastructure spending to monetization all argue for more upside. He says the market still looks detached from the fundamentals and that the big tech names are getting cheaper even as use cases expand.

Ives also treats a Tesla-SpaceX merger as increasingly likely, arguing that the strategic logic, engineer sharing, data advantages, and AI integration make it a matter of when, not if. He thinks the combined entity could be a $4 trillion to $5 trillion company, with Tesla needing a much higher deal price, around $500 to $550, to make the transaction workable. He closes by warning that political or regulatory slowing of U.S. innovation would hand an advantage to China.

Key takeaways

  • Dan Ives says Korea showed him AI demand is still strong, with memory demand up about 30% in the last four to six weeks.
  • He expects the Kospi to make new all-time highs next year and says the selloff there is detached from fundamentals.
  • Ives agrees higher rates raise AI financing costs, but says CoreWeave’s debt is small relative to its backlog.
  • He thinks the Street is underestimating earnings by 15% to 25% over the next 12 to 18 months.
  • Ives says a Tesla-SpaceX merger is likely and could create a $4 trillion to $5 trillion company.

Notable quotes

“I mean memory if I look at demand it's probably up about 30% in the last four to six weeks”

— Dan Ives at 1:08

“I just think what's happening here is investors are skittish on the trade, but the fundamentals are telling a much different story”

— Dan Ives at 1:08

“I think there is a lot of uncertain because no matter what you read, online, social, put on TV, it's all data centers”

— Dan Ives at 19:00

“I think that's definitely like playing into it that narrative like the worry like okay then all of a sudden like if you have a blue wave”

— Dan Ives at 15:06

Topics

  • ai growth
  • tesla spacex merger
  • coreweave ai debt fears
  • interest rates
  • midterms and data centers

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • TSLA
  • ORCL
  • Yorkville Ives
  • Tesla
  • SpaceX
  • CoreWeave
  • Oracle

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