Episode summary
Jean-Pierre Aubry: The State of Retirement Research | Rational Reminder 419
The Rational Reminder Podcast
· · 1 hr 25 min · Guests: Jean-Pierre Aubry
Summary
Jean-Pierre Aubry argues that retirement investing is shaped less by pure household preference than by defaults, advice, and institutional design. In his research, older households with $100,000 or more in financial assets said they wanted to hold about 37% to 38% in stocks, while their actual allocations were closer to 45% or 46%, suggesting the system nudges people toward more equity risk than they would choose on their own. He said advisers often push clients higher in stocks too, but that their own compensation and baseline beliefs also influence recommendations, with limited customization across client archetypes.
He also described why public pension plans moved from bonds into equities and then toward alternatives such as private equity, hedge funds, commodities, and real estate. Aubry said the post-2000 shift into alternatives has generally underperformed simple index benchmarks, raised costs, reduced liquidity, and created political and governance headaches. He added that consultants and peer effects help explain why plans keep moving in that direction.
On inflation, Aubry said retirees are hit harder than workers because they have less wage growth, less debt, and more fixed income. Social Security helps, but for households relying on financial assets, inflation erodes purchasing power and makes retirement planning riskier.
Key takeaways
- Aubry’s research found older households wanted about 37% to 38% in stocks, while their actual holdings were closer to 45% to 46%.
- Financial advisers appear to raise clients’ equity allocations, but Aubry says advice is shaped by adviser compensation and a strong adviser-to-adviser fixed effect.
- Public pension plans’ move from stocks and bonds into alternatives has generally underperformed simpler index-based portfolios, according to Aubry.
- Aubry said consultants and peer effects help explain why public plans keep allocating to alternatives despite weak results.
- Retirees are especially exposed to inflation because they have less wage growth, less debt, and more fixed-income exposure than workers.
Notable quotes
“our mission is really to produce first class accessible research uh for the policy community and practitioners in the private sector around retirement policy”
“on average, we saw that was um around 30 high30s, 37 38%”
“our takeaway from this was that it seems like actual allocations for individuals are somewhat higher than you know what their kind of pie in the sky”
“The shift away from stocks towards um alternatives has not been as fruitful um and has also come with lots of headaches politically for public plan investors”
How the episode opens
This is the Rational Reminder podcast, a weekly reality check on sensible investing and financial decision-making from two Canadians. We're hosted by me, Benjamin Felix, chief investment officer, and Cameron Passmore, chief executive officer at PWL Capital. Great to be with you again, Ben.
Episode 419. And this one, as we were just saying to the guests as we signed off, it really is a super interesting and fun conversation about kind of our almost the greatest hits of things we've talked about that really get people energized and learning about. And you know, this week's guest that that you you found, Jean Pierre Obre, he's the associate director of retirement plans and finance at the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College, which is a fascinating organization.
And the research they've done is so varied. So it was blocked in four different conversation topics and each one is so practical, so pragmatic, so interesting, little bit shocking, a little bit not shocking, but to have it all wrapped up in nice tight, completely understandable bundles from JP was a real, it was a really fun, interesting interview.
Yeah. And I mean, I would say that the reason that it comes across as greatest hits of stuff that we've talked about is that they're JP and his team are doing research specifically for improving financial outcomes for households, which is which is kind of what we're trying to do. So, it makes sense that the the greatest hits would uh would align there.
And I think what JP brings is uh his own research on those topics, like where it's not just a summary of of other stuff that we've talked about. It's a reiteration of it backed by independent research that him and his team have done. So I I think that brings a really fresh fresh angle to these topics even if they're topics that we have covered before.
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Topics
- retirement investing
- financial advice impact
- public pension asset allocation
- target-date funds (tdfs)
- inflation and retirees
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Boston College
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