Episode summary
Is Private Credit the Next Systemic Crisis? Steve Liesman Weighs In | The Real Eisman Playbook Ep 53
The Real Eisman Playbook
· · 52 min · Hosts: Steve Eisman · Guests: Steve Liesman
Summary
Steve Liesman argued that the market is trying to price several overlapping shocks at once: a possible oil spike from the war, lingering tariff effects, uncertainty about the Fed, and the growth of private credit. On oil, he said the key risk is not just a temporary price move but a sustained shock that transfers income from consumers to producers and hits the lower end of the K-shaped economy. He also stressed that the U.S. economy has repeatedly shown an unusual resilience that makes recession forecasts difficult to trust.
On the Fed, Liesman said Jerome Powell appears to view policy as “in a good place,” meaning slightly above neutral and still tight enough to lean against inflation. The debate inside the Fed, as he described it, runs between officials who want to cut rates and hawks who want to keep inflation expectations anchored. He argued that the central bank cannot offset an oil supply shock directly, but it can affect whether the shock becomes a broader inflation problem.
On private credit, Liesman said the main danger is opacity rather than a clearly visible banking-system balance sheet problem. He expects losses in the sector, but he does not currently see a repeat of the 2008-style systemic banking crisis because leverage appears lower and banks are in a more senior, better-capitalized position.
Key takeaways
- Liesman thinks a prolonged war-driven oil shock would hit low-income consumers hardest and could push inflation expectations higher.
- He said the Fed is split, with Powell leaning toward holding policy steady while some hawks want tighter policy.
- He argued that rate hikes cannot create more oil supply, so the Fed’s real job is preventing inflation expectations from becoming unanchored.
- Liesman sees private credit losses as likely, but he does not yet see a 2008-style systemic bank crisis.
- He said the biggest private-credit risk is opacity, because markets panic more when nobody knows who holds the losses.
Notable quotes
“the bottom part of the K is is going to hurt. It's just going to hurt”
“we're a bit above neutral. We're not at neutral. We're a little tight”
“There is no amount of interest rate increase that will bring a single barrel of oil to market”
“systemic risk equals the value at risk times the opacity”
How the episode opens
Hey, it's Steve Eisman and I want to give the date because so much is happening in the markets. Um, this interview is being recorded after 400 p.m. March 31st after the markets had a tumultuous upside on some news about the war.
My guest today is Steve Leeman, recurring guest, senior economics reporter at CNBC. We're going to talk about oil prices, the war, and the impacts on the market, tariffs, the Fed, private credit. There's just so much going on.
I'm really looking forward to touching on all these topics with Steve and then after the interview, I'll come back and we'll talk about some some takeaway thoughts. See you soon. Hi, it's Steve Eisman and this is another episode of The Real Eisman Playbook.
Because the news is moving so fast, I just want to let you know when we're recording this. It's Tuesday, March 31st, right after the close, right after 4 pm. And the market has had an enormous rally.
In the morning, the Wall Street Journal had a report that said that President Trump was willing to end the war without opening the Straits of Hormuz. And then later in the day, there were news reports from Iran that there are talks. What's true?
What's not true? Who knows? But here to help me explore that, the economy, um, the markets, is a recurring guest, Steve Leeman, senior economics reporter at CNBC.
Welcome back, Steve.
Good to be here, Steve. Thanks for having me again. — So, I I don't even know where to begin because it's so frenetic, but you're reporting the news every single day. — Let's start. Give me some preliminary thoughts that just come into your head. If all I had to do was figure out the lingering effects of tariffs on the economy, that would be enough.
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Topics
- private credit
- systemic risk
- oil shocks
- fed uncertainty
- k-shaped economy
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