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The Real Eisman Playbook
· · 28 min · Hosts: Steve Eisman
Summary
Steve Eisman argues that the market is being driven mainly by oil prices and the 10-year yield, and he thinks a sustained move above 5% in the 10-year would make a correction likely. He says the week’s geopolitical volatility and stronger economic data pushed the yield to a multi-year high near 5.10%, while any relief in the Strait of Hormuz briefly lifted stocks.
He is more alarmed by what he sees in AI financing. Oracle and Blue Owl’s Project Jupiter, SoftBank’s plan to issue junk bonds to fund an OpenAI investment, and Meta’s off-balance-sheet data-center structure all look to him like versions of the old Enron and GFC playbook: moving debt into special-purpose vehicles to protect credit ratings and hide leverage. He says Meta’s Beignet SPV and EY’s “critical audit matter” disclosure suggest the accounting is meant to obscure risk, not clarify it.
Eisman also says Meta’s Muse could change consumer behavior and e-commerce, but he is skeptical that agentic AI is automatically profitable or purely deflationary. He thinks it may redirect spending rather than reduce it, and he warns that AI-driven recommendation systems could weaken brand advertising economics for companies like Nike.
Key takeaways
- Eisman says the 10-year yield above 5% is the key market line, and a sustained break higher could trigger a correction.
- He считает Oracle’s Project Jupiter and Meta’s Beignet SPV examples of AI debt being pushed off balance sheet to preserve ratings.
- SoftBank’s plan to issue $11 billion of junk bonds for a $10 billion OpenAI investment is, in Eisman’s view, unusually aggressive leverage.
- Eisman thinks Meta’s Muse may change shopping behavior, but its economics could be deflationary only in some categories and harmful to ad-driven brands.
- He says the resurgence of SPVs and VIEs in AI resembles Enron-era and GFC-era accounting games that only work until stress hits.
Notable quotes
“The only two variables that matter right now are oil prices and the 10-year yield”
“Should the 10-year remain above 5%, a correction, I think, is probably imminent”
“It's one thing to invest your own cash. It's another thing to raise junkrated debt to make an equity investment”
“What I find disturbing is some of the off-balance sheet financing using specialurpose vehicles that I thought had gone the way of the dodo bird after the Enron and post GFC debacles”
“That's some fancy schmancy footwork that's reminiscent of bad times past and it doesn't pass the smell test”
How the episode opens
The only two variables that matter right now are oil prices and the 10-year yield. Should the 10-year remain above 5%, a correction, I think, is probably imminent. There was some troubling news from Oracle and Blue Owl Capital.
The leverage it has taken on forced S&P to downgrade the company's credit rating to tripleB minus, which is only one level above junk. What I find disturbing is some of the offbalance sheet financing using specialurpose vehicles. The debt will not sit on Meta's balance sheet.
That's some fancymancy footwork that's reminiscent of bad times past. The GFC gave birth to the concept of too big to fail. Are we there again?
Are we going to do this all over again? Hi, this is Steve Eisman and this is another episode of the weekly rap. This is for the week ending Friday, September 25th, but recorded Thursday night, September 24th.
This last Wednesday, September 23rd, on our premium Substack subscription service, we posted part two of how to analyze banks, my master class. I'm providing you in this class with all the tools to understand how banks work and how to think about large cap and small cap and midcap and the investment banks as well. This coming Wednesday, September 30th, we will post an interview with Edwin Dorsy, creator of the Bear Cave newsletter.
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Go to steveisman.com, which will bring you to Substack and our merchandise page. On this week's RAP, we will discuss the war in Iran, oil prices and interest rates, troubling news from Oracle and Blue Owl Capital, Paramount cleared for takeoff, soft bank junk borrowing to fund an equity investment, some aspects of AI circular financing that I find particularly disturbing.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- off-balance-sheet debt
- ai circular financing
- interest rates
- agency ai agents
- junk borrowing
Companies and tickers mentioned
- ORCL
- OWL
- PARA
- META
- Enron
- Oracle
- Blue Owl
- Paramount
- Warner Bros. Discovery
- Meta
- SoftBank
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