Episode summary
Crisis Is Coming In Early 2027 | Cem Karsan
Thoughtful Money
· · 1 hr 25 min · Guests: Cem Karsan, Noel Smith
Summary
The guest argues that markets are being driven first by positioning and volatility, not by headlines, and that the post-election reversal reflects dealers unwinding hedges as uncertainty comes out of the market. He says high skew, year-end structural flows, and January option decay should continue to support equities into the turn of the year, even as macro risks build underneath. The host repeatedly frames this as a setup for a strong year-end tape before the larger risks arrive.
The deeper concern is that the macro backdrop is turning more dangerous: the Strait of Hormuz remains a critical chokepoint, commodity inflation could become inelastic, and a large refinancing wall is colliding with higher rates and rising credit stress. The guest also argues that the push for massive hyperscaler capex has helped equity prices but is now feeding credit pressure and crowding out other borrowers. In his view, those forces point to a coming debt-market strain that could eventually force policy intervention.
He says the authorities are unlikely to deliver broad QE without a crisis, but may allow pain to build until they can justify a rescue. That is why he thinks the most important risk is not a slow grind but a fast, sharp break that creates the conditions for a backstop, with early 2027 or even January emerging as the window to watch.
Key takeaways
- The guest says the post-election rally is being powered by volatility compression and dealer hedging flows, not just sentiment.
- He expects year-end and January seasonality to remain supportive because options decay and structured-product flows should keep buying pressure in place.
- He warns that the Strait of Hormuz, commodity inelasticity, and a large debt maturity wall could push inflation and funding costs higher.
- He argues that hyperscaler capex is now crowding out credit and raising spreads, making the financial system more fragile.
- He thinks policymakers are more likely to let a crisis develop than to launch preemptive QE without visible market stress.
Notable quotes
“The story is the human words that people use in order to craft a narrative around price action”
“the most important part for the market going up is the ball getting sucked out going into end of year”
“we are in the street of hormuz not because of nuclear weapons but because of the US dollar”
“we haven't seen QE without a crisis ever”
How the episode opens
Hank Pollson came out in April of this year onto Bloomberg out of the blue. Hadn't spoken to media in years
To declare for 45 minutes that we are approaching a coming debt crisis and that we need to prepare a facility to prep, you know, to backs stop the Treasury market. So my view, it's a big call is that something's coming sooner rather than later. uh you want to be start getting prepared but also looking for when the flows like we talked about are just right which are probably starting in January welcome to thoughtful money I'm money founder and your host Adam Tagert welcoming you here for a very special discussion with Jim Carson Jam Croissant as he's known on X and across social media.
Uh sometimes referred to as Mr. Volatility. Um we're here to talk about all sorts of things.
Uh flows, macro, the repercussions of the most recent elections that were just held last night. Um as well as some brand new partnerships for his firm. Um joining us is JM Carson uh but also his new partner null Smith.
Uh these two great titans have recently joined forces uh largely around their company uh Kai Asset Management. I'm going to let them both tell you um what's going on there and then we'll dive into the discussion. Jim, pleasure to see you.
Great being here. Great to be back. Eventful day. Lot going on. — Yes, very very eventful day. Um and also I guess a lot of news recently for Kai Wealth and the Kai family of uh of investment solutions. — Yeah, it's exciting. uh we've been growing, you know, considerably the last uh couple years and uh obviously getting to a point where we need more a great team.
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Topics
- market crisis forecast
- options and volatility
- debt wall and credit spreads
- macro vs flows
- positioning with convex hedges
Companies and tickers mentioned
- CBOE
- Cboe Global Markets
- Kai Wealth
- Kai Asset Management
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