Episode summary
Taking CTAs Mainstream | Systematic Investor | Ep.421
Top Traders Unplugged
· · 1 hr 19 min · Hosts: Niels Kaastrup-Larsen · Guests: Andrew Beer
Summary
Andrew Beer argues that 60/40 became dominant because it benefited from a long bond bull market, not because it is inherently robust. He says the framework rests on forecasts and correlations that are usually wrong, especially when allocators extrapolate recent history into long-term capital market assumptions. The result is an existential crisis for portfolio construction now that stocks and bonds can fall together and bonds no longer provide the same cushion they once did.
Beer makes the case that managed futures and CTAs deserve a bigger role because they offer crisis alpha, low correlation to traditional assets, positive long-run alpha after fees, and tighter control of drawdowns than equities, REITs, gold, or commodities. He emphasizes that the space is lumpy, with uneven manager performance and multi-year stretches of disappointment, which makes it hard for allocators to stay committed. But he says those characteristics are exactly why the strategy should be treated as a portfolio diversifier rather than judged like a typical equity fund.
The broader pitch, in Beer’s view, is one of language and framing. He wants the industry to explain CTA exposure in terms that total-portfolio allocators and their clients actually understand: not academic bucket labels, but concrete value added in crisis periods, better risk-adjusted returns, and help with the “tactical” 10% of portfolio construction that strategic asset allocation misses.
Key takeaways
- Beer says 60/40 is being questioned because it was built on a historical bond tailwind that may not repeat.
- Beer argues CTAs provide crisis alpha across the dot-com bust, the GFC, and 2022, when different traditional diversifiers failed in different ways.
- Beer says the SockGen CTA index has produced about 3.34 Sharpe ratio and roughly cash plus 275 basis points over time, after fees.
- Beer warns that managed futures returns are lumpy, with long flat periods and wide manager dispersion, so allocator patience and diversification across managers matter.
- Beer says the industry should market CTAs in plain-language portfolio terms, not as an academic hedge fund bucket.
Notable quotes
“What happened with 6040 was that it was a bit of a historical accident in the 2000s”
“the argument that I would make is it's not accidental. It's it's you know managers funds make money when there are big price moves away from consensus basically”
“What you've done though is you've thrown out the tactical baby with the bathwater. tactical is good”
How the episode opens
What happened with 6040 was that it was a bit of a historical accident in the 2000s. It was a bit of a historical accident. It was fueled by the 20-year bond bubble, — Right? — Because bonds were the statistically perfect diversifier to your stock portfolios for 20 years. I used to call them the superman of diversifiers. Nothing could compete with them.
Sure. — On top of that, you have all sorts of behavioral issues of the end clients. Somebody was asking me about because I've been critical of bonds over the past 10 years and they keep throwing statistics. They said, "So, so you know, own no bonds, right?" I said, "No, of course I own bonds." And they said, "Well, why would you own bonds?" He said, "Because I love the coupon like anybody else, right?"
Welcome to Top Traders Unplugged. In markets, success doesn't come from predicting what happens next. It comes from being prepared for what you can't predict.
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Andrew, it's uh great to have you back this week. How are you doing? How have you been?
I'm I'm wonderful and thank you so much for having me back. It's great to be here. — Absolutely.
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Topics
- managed futures
- ctas
- 60/40 portfolio
- diversification
- tactical allocation
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