Episode summary

Ledger and the Metadata Your Hardware Wallet Sends After You Sign - Uneasy Money

Unchained · · Hosts: Kain Warwick, Austin Griffith · Guests: Greg Markou

Ledger and the Metadata Your Hardware Wallet Sends After You Sign - Uneasy Money – Unchained

Summary

Greg Markou argues that Ledger’s signing SDK is sending transaction metadata to Ledger’s servers after a user signs, and he calls that post-signing API call “completely unnecessary.” He says the behavior still allows user-address correlation, even in the newer V2 flow, and that Ledger’s desktop app has long carried extensive telemetry.

The discussion frames clear signing as a long-delayed standard problem rather than a solved one. The host and Greg say the standard exists, but implementation, adoption, and device limitations have left users with a messy experience. Greg says Ledger’s claim that devices lack enough memory is a weak excuse, and argues the company could have preloaded more memory or otherwise made the devices capable of handling clearer signing locally.

They also broaden the point beyond Ledger. Greg says clear signing is hard for dynamic contracts, proxy patterns, and ENS-like addresses, so wallets may still need trusted servers and audit layers to present understandable transaction data. But he concludes that hardware wallets are being used like end-user devices when they should function more like a YubiKey-style interface for a more secure system.

Key takeaways

  • Greg Markou says Ledger’s SDK makes a post-signing API call with transaction metadata, and he считает that unnecessary and potentially privacy-invasive.
  • The host and Greg say clear signing exists as a standard, but adoption and implementation are still lagging by years.
  • Greg argues Ledger could have solved more of the problem locally by shipping devices with more memory instead of offloading to servers.
  • He says V2 may strip some metadata, but user-address correlation still remains possible.
  • Greg concludes hardware wallets work better as a secure interface to a more secure device than as a standalone end-user wallet.

Notable quotes

“Ledger's signing SDK is um I don't want to say surreptitiously, but I'm just going to say surreptitiously sending we don't know the intent”

— Greg Markou at 0:02

“there's a post request, so an API call to their server after a signing interaction happens containing metadata”

— Greg Markou at 3:23

“there's no reason that needs to happen right”

— Greg Markou at 3:48

“the hardware wallet should be a equivalent of a UB key that you plug into a somewhat secure device”

— Greg Markou at 10:08

Topics

  • hardware wallet metadata
  • hardware wallet telemetry
  • crypto transaction signing
  • ethereum signing standards
  • privacy and unnecessary api calls

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • Ledger
  • Sprinter
  • Infinex
  • Synthetix
  • Nexo

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