Episode summary

Should Ethereum Tax Its Apps to Prove Its Security Is Worth It?

Unchained · · Hosts: Laura Shin · Guests: Jeff Dorman

Should Ethereum Tax Its Apps to Prove Its Security Is Worth It? – Unchained

Summary

Jeff Dorman argues that Vitalik Buterin’s push to frame ETH as a store of value is “really misguided” because it assumes Ethereum can win a role that Bitcoin only reached by accident and that most chains will never be able to claim. He says ETH has no rationale to be used outside the Ethereum network itself, and that any store-of-value thesis for ETH would require believing the entire world moves onto blockchain and onto Ethereum specifically.

Dorman is more interested in how a layer 1 can capture value from the activity it enables. He says the cleanest model is Hyperliquid’s “holy trinity”: a chain, a native DEX, and control of stablecoin distribution. In his view, Ethereum should have built its own stablecoin and DEX, rather than letting other businesses extract fees on top of the network.

If Ethereum cannot unwind that structure, Dorman says it should tax applications that run on it. He argues that if ETH security is as valuable as advocates claim, then apps should be willing to pay for it, and the market would reveal whether they stay or migrate to a cheaper chain. He does not give a precise rate, but says it would need to be “a pretty high number.”

Key takeaways

  • Jeff Dorman says ETH as a store of value is a weak comparison to Bitcoin and requires a claim that Ethereum will dominate most of the world’s blockchain activity.
  • Dorman argues Ethereum should have built its own stablecoin and DEX to capture fees instead of letting third parties monetize the network.
  • He says the best layer-1 model is Hyperliquid’s combination of chain, native DEX, and stablecoin distribution control.
  • If Ethereum cannot capture that value directly, Dorman says it should tax apps to test whether its security is really worth paying for.

Notable quotes

“I think it's really misguided, right? I mean, again, like a store of value, you're saying you're a currency, right”

— Jeff Dorman at 0:16

“there's no rationale for ETH, the token, to be used in any way, shape, or form outside of the Ethereum network itself”

— Jeff Dorman at 1:14

“if you do believe that Ethereum is this superpower and Ethereum is going to take over the world in Ethereum, then quantify it”

— Jeff Dorman at 3:28

“I think the only successful layer one is what Hyperl's doing. Like I said, I think you have to have the holy trinity”

— Jeff Dorman at 4:56

“If you believe that your security is so important and these applications need you so badly, then tax them and prove that you're you're worthwhile”

— Jeff Dorman at 7:02

Topics

  • ethereum app taxation
  • stablecoin strategy
  • dex development
  • store of value debate
  • eth security value

Companies and tickers mentioned

  • Arca
  • Hyperliquid

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