Episode summary
How Art & Economics Build Wealth w/ Kyle Grieve (TIP803)
We Study Billionaires
· · Guests: Kyle Grieve
Summary
Kyle Grieve argues that scarcity, supply and demand, and incentives are the core lenses investors should use to understand businesses and markets. He contrasts luxury brands like Hermès, which create scarcity and exclusivity, with Costco, which wins by stripping scarcity out of the buying experience through scale, supplier relationships, and low prices.
He then connects supply and demand to stock prices, volatility, and economic cycles. Kyle says even great businesses are usually more cyclical than investors want to believe, using COVID-era winners and losers such as Amazon, gold, and Peloton to show how quickly demand can swing and how dangerous it is to overbuild for a temporary boom.
The second half of the discussion moves through optimization, specialization, efficiency, monopolies, bubbles, and audience framing. Kyle argues that over-optimization can destroy businesses when environments change, that most great investors are generalists, and that strong compounders are businesses that can reinvest capital at high returns for decades. He closes by stressing that management teams shape the type of shareholders they attract, and that framing and contrast can cause investors to misread valuation, business quality, and long-term opportunity.
Key takeaways
- Kyle Grieve says scarcity raises value only when the product is both limited and desirable, which is why Hermès can preserve pricing power while Costco uses scale to lower prices.
- Kyle Grieve argues that many businesses are more cyclical than investors assume, and bad timing in cyclical names can either destroy capital or lock it up for years.
- Kyle Grieve uses Peloton to show how over-optimization for a temporary demand spike can leave a business with excess inventory, wasted hiring, and stranded assets.
- Kyle Grieve says the best compounders are businesses that can reinvest capital at high returns for decades, not just pay good dividends today.
- Kyle Grieve warns that investor perception is heavily shaped by framing and contrast, which can make expensive stocks look cheap in bull markets and cheap stocks look risky in bear markets.
Notable quotes
“if you can maintain an ROE of 20% while reinvesting 100% of your profits back into the business for decades, that's a business that you should probably be backing the truck up on”
“Where there is scarcity, there will always be some sort of pricing pressure”
“Costco can also take advantage of scarcity, but in a much different way than Hermes”
“nearly every single business out there is a lot more cyclical than I'd like to think”
“if you can find or create scarcity somewhere on your supply chain, then that can help improve your business model”
How the episode opens
(00:00) Now, if you can maintain an ROE of 20% while reinvesting 100% of your profits back into the business for decades, that's a business that you should probably be backing the truck up on because you can easily pay up for these types of businesses and still generate incredible returns. But finding a business that can do this is not easy. (00:17) For all the investors out there, you need to not only look at a company's capital efficiency metrics, but also evaluate its future reinvestment opportunities and whether it can continue to reinvest at these high rates.
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Thanks a bunch. I'm going to cover a variety of mental models from art and economics, inspired by Shane Parish's book, The Great Mental Models, Volume 4. Now, this book is interesting because at first glance, economics and art just don't really seem to have that much in common.
(00:58) But Parish did a great job explaining just why they interact so well. For instance, he writes that economics is as much science as it is an art. And that inside of economics, the laws don't necessarily follow the laws of nature just as something such as biology or physics.
Economics is largely influenced by things like narratives and culture, which are vital aspects of art. (01:19) Now, the first mental model that I want to discuss today is scarcity. So the book points out that the fundamental problem that we face as individuals, groups, and as a species is just how to allocate limited resources to meet our endless needs.
Because we have to close this gap to keep our species alive, we are forced to become more creative and rely on our abilities to invent new technologies that make this world a better place.
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Topics
- scarcity and value
- supply and demand stock volatility
- economic cycles
- cyclical investing vs compounders
- investor psychology and bubbles
Companies and tickers mentioned
- COST
- Costco Wholesale
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