Episode summary
High Net Worth Pre-Retirees Share Their Biggest Fear (Here's How to Calm It)
Your Money Your Wealth
· · Hosts: Joe Anderson, Big Al Clopine · Guests: Lucy, Desi, Tony, Carmela, Jacques, Johana, Wendi
Summary
The hosts argue that retirement anxiety usually has less to do with hitting a specific nest egg and more to do with the gap between spending and guaranteed income. A 43-year-old Dallas couple with about $850,000 and a pension is told they are likely in strong shape, and that a slow, modest Roth conversion of the wife’s $100,000 IRA in the 24% bracket makes sense if they can afford the tax.
That same framework is applied to a Jersey Shore couple with $6.6 million, a $1.3 million mortgage, and roughly $35,000 a month in expenses. The hosts say their position is still tight because their spending is so high, especially once one paycheck disappears, and that the retirement math depends heavily on whether the mortgage stays, whether spending can come down, and how withdrawals are structured. They stress that portfolio size alone does not remove the risk.
Later segments cover a 61-year-old couple who should consider Roth conversions beyond the 12% bracket and a retiree anticipating a large future capital gain who asks about long/short direct indexing. The hosts support direct indexing as a tax-management tool, but caution that long/short strategies are more complex and should not be used simply to “lose money” for tax reasons. A final question compares independent contractor versus payroll treatment for a 72-year-old doing artwork, and the hosts prefer payroll if the choice exists.
Key takeaways
- The hosts say a 43-year-old with about $850,000, strong savings habits, and a pension is likely on track despite feeling anxious.
- They recommend gradual Roth conversions for the wife’s $100,000 IRA, rather than rushing everything at once, because the couple can likely use the 24% bracket efficiently.
- For the couple spending about $35,000 a month on $6.6 million of assets, the hosts say the real issue is spending, not headline net worth.
- The hosts suggest converting pre-tax money up to the 22% bracket for the 61-year-old couple because the IRA balance could create larger future RMDs.
- They distinguish direct indexing from long/short strategies and say tax-loss harvesting can help, but not if the investor is buying risk mainly to generate losses.
- For the 72-year-old artist, the hosts prefer payroll over independent contracting if she has a choice, because withholding is simpler and self-employment tax is higher.
Notable quotes
“No matter the numbers, the fears sound exactly the same. Will we run out of money in retirement”
“It's the relationship between spending and money”
“I would I would slowly convert some of that out in the 24”
“don't buy an investment because you're going to lose money”
How the episode opens
Mr. and Mrs. Smith have nearly $850,000 saved at age 43, but they're very concerned about retirement.
Lucy and Desi are 58 and 64 with nearly $7 million saved. But they still lie awake wondering if it's enough for their high expense life. Tony and Carmela are in a similar boat with millions saved at 61 and 59, but they're worried their asset allocation won't get them through their retirement.
No matter the numbers, the fears sound exactly the same. Will we run out of money in retirement? Turns out overcoming that fear is not about hitting a magic number.
We'll find out what it's all about today on Your Money Your Wealth podcast number 566. Joe and Big Also spitball Roth conversions, long short direct index and capital gains tax strategies for juicy squeeze, working after retirement for Wendy, and how one confusing word can completely change a retirement timing decision for Jacques and Johanna. I'm executive producer Andy Last and here are the hosts of Your Money, Your Wealth.
Joe Anderson, CFP, and Big Al Copine, CPA.
Uh, Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Joanne, love the podcast. Been listening for about a year. And it's one of my regular rotations to listen to when I'm taking my morning three-mile walk. — Wow. — Three-mile walk. How long does that take? An hour.
I Yeah, I think when I'm walking it, it's about a Yeah, three miles. 20 minute. Yeah, that's about an hour, — Is it? — Mhm. — I drive a 2019 Chevy Traverse. Is that That's the company car. And my wife drives a 2020 Ford Fusion that we'll be giving uh to my daughter next year. Drink of choice. A local craft beer. I've never tried it before. Oh, a local craft beer I've never tried before.
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Topics
- retirement fear
- roth conversions
- direct indexing capital gains tax strategies
- social security work after 70
- asset allocation
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Pure Financial Advisors, LLC
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