Episode summary
When to Claim Social Security and Why Full Roth Conversion Might be a Mistake
Summary
The episode focused on when Roth conversions stop making sense, how to think about selling a rental property with built-in gains, and how Social Security timing changes the tax picture. For Eeyore and Nurse Kathy, the hosts argued that a partial conversion strategy likely beats converting everything: they estimated the couple could move roughly $150,000 a year while staying around the 22% bracket, with perhaps some room for 24% in a down year. They also suggested the rental sale may create about $40,000 of tax if the $160,000 figure is the gain, and that the cleaner answer may simply be to pay the tax rather than engineer an elaborate workaround.
For Harry and Sally, the hosts said their plan is viable despite the unusual mix of mostly taxable assets and relatively little tax-deferred money. They liked their current approach of living off the brokerage account, but argued they should think more carefully about tax-loss harvesting and capital-gain management because the bulk of their wealth sits in VOO in a taxable account. On conversions, they leaned toward filling the 12% bracket first, with the possibility of modest additional conversion in the 22% range if desired.
For the 62-year-old single caller, the hosts thought the retirement math works if spending stays near $65,000 and current savings continue growing. They supported drawing from the inherited IRA and rollover IRA up to the top of the 12% bracket, then waiting on Social Security if portfolio withdrawals feel comfortable. One host pushed for delaying benefits to 70, while the other suggested 67 could be a reasonable compromise if taking income earlier would ease the emotional strain.
Key takeaways
- The hosts estimated Eeyore and Nurse Kathy could convert about $150,000 a year and still stay near the 22% tax bracket.
- For the rental property sale, the hosts thought the simplest answer may be to pay the tax and move on if the gain is only about $160,000.
- Harry and Sally’s plan was described as viable, but the hosts said a taxable account concentrated in one ETF limits tax-loss harvesting opportunities.
- The hosts favored filling the 12% bracket first for Harry and Sally’s Roth conversions, with 22% as the main ceiling unless tax rates rise.
- For the 62-year-old caller, the hosts said the retirement plan works and Social Security can be delayed if portfolio withdrawals feel manageable.
Notable quotes
“I think because of that, that's the bracket they convert to”
“I think it's worth the consideration. I'm I necessarily disagree”
“the answer is yes”
“I would go to the top of the 22”
How the episode opens
Today on Your Money, Your Wealth podcast number 595, Eeyore and Nurse Kathy are 65, retired in Orlando, and they swear they've never heard this one on the show before. Should you convert your retirement accounts to Roth all the way, or is there a point where you should actually stop? Harry and Sally have been living off their brokerage for 2 years in New York, potentially moving to Florida,
And Sally's getting nervous. Are they crazy? When should they claim social security?
And when can I retire from 12-hour days? Yes, that's what they're calling themselves in Virginia. Is 62, single, and faced with the same decision.
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I'm executive producer Andy Last, and here are the hosts of Your Money, Your Wealth, Joe Anderson, CFP, and Big Al Clopine, CPA.
We got Oh, boy. Um hi team, this is Eeyore. — Is that right? — Yeah, that's that's right. — Yeah, like from — Winnie the Winnie the Pooh. Yeah. — So, Eeyore. — Eeyore. — And nurse uh K Kathy? — Kathy, yep. — I've never seen Kathy spelled with an I. Right? K A T H I? Uh they live in Orlando, Florida.
Okay. — Nurse Kathy, is that um is she really Kathy and she's a nurse? And do you think this person's real name is Eeyore? — If I Google Nurse Kathy, nothing famous comes up, so I I have a feeling that that's probably the reality. And I would guess that Eeyore is named such because he's probably very pessimistic.
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Topics
- social security claiming
- roth conversions
- tax efficient retirement planning
- retirement withdrawals
- capital gains and rental property
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Pure Financial Advisors
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