Episode summary
You Have Enough to Retire Before 60. Why Are You Still Working?
Your Money Your Wealth
· · Hosts: Joe Anderson, Big Al Clopine
Summary
The episode revolved around three high-income households asking the same core question: they can retire on paper, but should they? For Martha, who earns about $2 million a year and feels burned out at 44, the hosts said she is already financially close enough to stop working now if she can accept a lower spending level, but if she wants to spend $350,000 to $400,000 a year in retirement, working a few more years could push the target closer to $12 million to $13 million. They emphasized that the psychological challenge is not saving, but learning how to draw money down without panic.
For Bandit and Chile, the hosts thought retirement around age 51 could work, especially if Chile keeps earning for a few more years and covers health insurance. They leaned toward living off brokerage assets and doing Roth conversions rather than relying on a 72(t) election, while also noting that the rule of 55 can be useful if the 401(k) plan permits it.
For Kevin and Winnie, the hosts said retirement at the end of 2026 looks feasible given their spending level, deferred compensation, and investable assets. They favored aggressive Roth conversions up to at least the 24% bracket, with the possibility of using a down market to convert even more.
Key takeaways
- Martha’s $6.5 million nest egg makes early retirement possible now, but the hosts said her desired $350,000 to $400,000 lifestyle points more toward a $12 million to $13 million target.
- For Bandit and Chile, the hosts preferred spending from brokerage assets and doing Roth conversions over a 72(t) withdrawal plan.
- The hosts said Bandit may be able to use the rule of 55 only if he separates from service at age 55 and the 401(k) plan permits the distribution structure.
- Kevin and Winnie’s deferred compensation and $4 million of qualified assets make a 2026 retirement date look workable, with Roth conversions a major planning lever.
- The hosts argued that Roth conversions up to the 24% bracket are sensible for Kevin and Winnie, and even 32% may be worth considering in a down market.
Notable quotes
“The 4% rule is kind of a joke in my opinion, but we use it as a spitball just to give people an idea”
“You have to turn 55 the year um you separate from service to take advantage of the rule of 55”
How the episode opens
Today on Your Money, Your Wealth podcast number 580, Joe and Big Al are spitballing for some folks who've done the work, hit the numbers, but aren't sure if they can really walk away yet. Martha in DC is 44 and says her soul is being sucked out of her body by her employer. When can she stop working full-time and foster puppies instead?
Bandit is bullish on his company stock in archaeology instruments, but not so much on his work itself. Kevin is staring down a wall of deferred comp and needs a spitball on how aggressive his and Winnie's Roth conversion strategy should be before RMDs hit. Can both Bandit and Chile and Kevin and Winnie call it quits this year?
Do us a favor and leave your honest rating and review in Apple Podcasts? It's a big part of how new listeners find a finance show that doesn't sound like a tax seminar. I'm executive producer Andy Lass and here are the hosts of Your Money Your Wealth.
Joey Anderson, CFP, and Big Al Cloine CPA.
We got uh Martha from Washington DC. Joe Big Al. Martha here from Washington DC. Your show is cooking because Andy has y'all rocking. — A thank you Martha. — I found you guys eight months ago and eagerly await new spitballs every Tuesday. Enjoy listening to the show after pouring a red glass of wine, drawing a warm bubble bath in reclining, listening to Big Al's smooth verton buzz. Is that what you do when you take a bath?
Oh, while Joe's hilarious commentary keeps me laughing. Oh, thank you, Martha. You do. Remember we can do tax chat? — I know. I still could. I got lots of energy still. — Should be in that bathtub for a long time.
From the episode’s captions: roughly the first two minutes, lightly cleaned. Keep watching on YouTube →
Topics
- retirement planning
- retire early
- tax-optimized investing
- roth conversion
- rmds
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Pure Financial Advisors, LLC
Watch the episode
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Summary, takeaways and quote selection by Octagon. Quotes are short excerpts; the full conversation is in the episode.
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