Episode summary
Data Centers Are the New Fracking | TCAF 231
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· · Hosts: Josh Brown, Michael Batnick · Guests: Daniel Clifton, Chris Verrone
Summary
The conversation argues that the AI trade is moving from enthusiasm to backlash, not because users have stopped adopting the tools but because households are connecting AI to layoffs, higher electricity bills, and local resistance to data centers. The guests point to polling that shows Americans are more concerned than excited about AI, and they say the public now sees the technology as an economic and political issue rather than just a market story.
A central thesis is that data centers are becoming “the new fracking”: a strategically important infrastructure buildout that faces local opposition but could win political support if companies make the benefits clearer. The guests compare the current fight over zoning, power demand, and water use to the old fracking battles, and argue the tech industry will need to answer the backlash by paying for its own energy, highlighting jobs, and emphasizing tax benefits.
On markets, they see a broad rotation away from the Mag 7 and toward equal-weight stocks, industrials, energy, and the electrical supply chain. They argue the tape is rewarding scarcer, onshore, capex-linked businesses, while software and some AI names are being repriced. Their broader claim is that a new regime is forming: price action, not narrative, is signaling a shift toward industrials, materials, and infrastructure over the last decade’s consumer-and-mega-cap leadership.
Key takeaways
- The guests say AI backlash is now mainstream, with households focused on job loss, electricity costs, and distrust of the technology rather than productivity gains.
- They argue data centers are becoming the new fracking: politically controversial infrastructure that can still win if companies frame the local tax and investment benefits.
- They see market leadership shifting from the Mag 7 toward equal-weight stocks, industrials, energy, and electrical equipment tied to capex.
- They think software is vulnerable in the near term, but the guests also say indiscriminate selling could create tradable bottoms and short-covering rallies.
- They argue the broader regime is changing from a consumer-led, low-rate world to a scarcer, more industrial, capex-driven economy.
Notable quotes
“I think this is the week that the full backlash against AI finally went mainstream”
“Data centers are the new fracking”
“We went through this 15 years ago with fracking”
“the market is telling us, you know what's cool about this? Only people our generation and older even know what these stocks are”
“I think we're shifting out of the post Berlin Wall environment”
How the episode opens
So, which cartel did you join? — Gosh, what a nightmare. — Are you Which Are you in the good one? — I'm in the good one. I'm back. — Are you Are you in a Target cartel? — When we crossed over to American Aerospace, I was like,
"Wait, so start from the beginning. — I need it. Give me Give me the whole thing." So, you're in the So, you're giving a speech somewhere. — Giving a speech trying to get home. — So, there's a lot of you there. There's people there for an event.
There's a group there and then uh I'm sure you you saw the news on Sunday. There's a little action in southwest Mexico, but uh made it back after 4 days. — How was the event there? Was it something international in
Yeah, it was just like an international group and it was a good opportunity to speak at that event and didn't foresee that uh there might be some trouble. — Um I love Mexico by the way. I was there. — Might be my last time.
I know. I was there. — Might be my last time. — I was at a place called the Maroma is like north of Cancun. You fly into Cancun and drive up the coast. — So that's more like east coast of Mexico. I was in the Belmont Maroma is I think it's one of the best hotels I've ever stayed in. There's 25 guests there. That's or something some something tiny
At any one time. And uh — I'm so sad. I can't like I I would love to go back to Mexico. — Maybe wait a little bit. — No, I understand. — Stay on the east side.
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Topics
- ai backlash
- data centers capex
- stock rerating
- midterms
- anthropic vs dod
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Strategas Research
- Anthropic
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