Episode summary
What Did the Fed Actually Say? | TCAF 215
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· · Hosts: Michael Batnick, Josh Brown · Guests: Stephanie Roth
Summary
Stephanie Roth argued that the tech capex boom is still in its early innings and is likely to keep supporting growth. She said the spending is not a bubble yet because it remains a relatively small share of GDP, companies are still funding it mostly from cash flow, and the real productivity payoffs from AI have not shown up broadly in the data. The group compared current AI investment to past booms and concluded it is large, but still well below the scale of historic bubbles.
The conversation also focused on the Fed’s latest message. Roth said the key signal from Powell was that a December cut is “far from a foregone conclusion,” and that the market had to rapidly reprice expectations after assuming a near-certain cut. With inflation still above target, the economy steady, and labor data not clearly deteriorating, she saw little urgency for more easing. They also discussed how the shutdown and data fog could keep the Fed cautious.
On the real economy, Roth said the wealth effect is broader than in past cycles because more younger workers and households now own stocks through 401ks, options, and brokerage accounts. That helps explain continued consumer spending, even as some lower-end borrowers and housing remain under strain. She also said shelter inflation is cooling, tariff pass-through has been slower than feared, and tight credit spreads mostly reflect a healthy economy rather than a looming crisis.
Key takeaways
- Roth said AI-related capex is still early-stage and could keep driving growth because companies are spending aggressively and the spending is only about 1.3% of GDP.
- She said the market misread the Fed when Powell signaled that a December rate cut was far from guaranteed, forcing a sharp repricing in rate expectations.
- Roth argued that the wealth effect is stronger now than in past cycles because younger cohorts own far more equities than previous generations did at the same age.
- She said the labor market looks like a low-fire, low-hire environment, with layoffs not broadening enough to justify a recession call.
- She viewed tight credit spreads as a sign of a fairly healthy economy, while the recent credit problems look concentrated in fraud and old auto-related excesses.
Notable quotes
“the spending is strong. It's going to continue to be strong”
“it's a fairly small share of GDP at this point, even though it's been growing quickly”
“December rate cut is far from a foregone conclusion”
“we are spending for the quote optimistic most optimistic case for AI”
How the episode opens
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He's texting me and Josh pictures every day. Come on. It's like the most It's like the most absurd thing.
Do you do that? Who does that? No, I just send people pictures with my kids, but and who don't ask, but on vacation every day.
Can you imagine? So, I took a picture of my desk and I'm like, "Dude, great. Thank you.
Thank you. That's amazing. So, so, so sprinkles makes me do this whole thing and then she's like, "Oh, you missed it.
The 30% is over. I'm like, "Well, I'm hitting I'm smashing the I'm smashing the buy button regardless. I don't really care to tell you the truth.
You can proximity to the mic. So, if you go too far away, you're like, "Oh, I got it back. She said there's another there's another sale right before Thanksgiving.
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Okay, I guess that's cute. All right, so the chill sweatshirts and sweatpants are the lightest weight, which is what I need when I'm on the airplane, right? The scholar is like almost pajama-y.
Yeah, it looks it looks And then the accolade sweatpant and crew neck. So, do you know that he thinks this is cute for the audience who can't even see or listen? No, we're working on something.
Side barring. Sorry. Ordering clothes.
Yeah. Yeah. 30% off sale at Alo that I missed by a day and I just bought a all this anyway.
It's called Alo. I thought it was called Alo. Yeah.
I don't feel like I'm gonna look like that guy though.
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Topics
- fed policy
- tech earnings
- wealth effect
- ai and labor market
- credit spreads
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Wolfe Research
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