Episode summary
Why oil could be next year’s gold | TCAF 219
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· · Hosts: Michael Batnick, Josh Brown · Guests: Peter Boockvar
Summary
Peter Boockvar argues that the latest AI selloff looks less like a market-wide bubble and more like a rapid sorting of winners and losers. He says the market is differentiating between Google-linked infrastructure and the OpenAI/Oracle/Microsoft/Nvidia complex, and that the narrative around AI has shifted too fast this year for investors to treat any single thesis as permanent. The hosts agree that Google’s turnaround is a reminder that large, well-funded platforms can pivot quickly, while Boockvar stresses that the real debate is not whether AI is useful, but whether the current capex boom is too large and too capital intensive for the returns it will eventually produce.
Key takeaways
- Boockvar says the market is now separating Google-exposed infrastructure from OpenAI-linked names instead of treating AI as one unified trade.
- He argues Alphabet’s turnaround shows why investors should not bet against a company with huge cash, talent, and distribution when narratives change this fast.
- Boockvar says the real risk is capex, with Oracle, Meta, Microsoft and Google all spending a much larger share of revenue than they did a few years ago.
- He thinks the AI debate is turning political because higher power demand and utility rate cases could push up the cost of living.
- Boockvar says lower short rates may help small caps and borrowers, but the 10-year yield, deficits, and credit conditions will matter more than Fed cuts alone.
Notable quotes
“the market sort of differentiated. What camp are you in? Are you now in the are you in the Google camp? Are you in the open AI camp”
“it's not like Proctor and Gamble selling razor blades and shampoo”
“Google is having its best year since 2009. It's added $1.5 trillion”
“I think there are legitimate questions about are we building too many and is this buildout similar to the internet”
How the episode opens
How smart is Warren? Warren's great. I enjoy listening to him.
I don't know him personally, but I enjoy when he's on TV or, you know, like the long form interviews with you guys. So, we thoughtful. We recorded on Thursday morning and obviously by Thursday afternoon there's you guys were talking about it was a few hours into Nvidia and then a couple hours later, right?
So, I am uh I'm not on here. Yep. I am shocked at the plug 4 day return since then.
Like you know that when the market tops on good news like okay that's usually about it. At least in the short term and this was just the opposite. It's so bizarre.
It's the the 50 to 100 point S&P moves like five days in a row. But Thursday after the close were you like all right I guess we're going to chill out for a little bit going Yeah. I thought like in the short term it's probably a top and we'll see what happens until year end.
Unbelievable. And we find market finds something else to buy. Unbelievable.
No. Humbling Peter. Oh, always.
Always. You know what? Birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear John. Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday, John. Happy birthday. You're the best.
very confident in my assertions. It wouldn't be the same if we didn't do it live. Happy birthday.
Come get in a picture. Claire, can you snap a pick of John? Wait, I want one, too.
Hold on. Peter, are you a hoster of Thanksgiving? Thank you.
No, luckily I go to my cousins. Okay, that makes it easier. You So, we do we do host.
Um, it's a lot, but I do love I do love being in my house.
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Topics
- ai bubble
- inflation expectations
- housing market
- oil vs gold
- federal reserve
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