Episode summary
Are We Entering a New Economic Era? How to Prepare Your Portfolio Without Trying to Time the Market
Eurodollar University
· · Hosts: George Gam
Summary
George Gam argues that the right way to read the macro environment is through market signals, not Fed-centered DSG models or backward-looking data. He says the economy has been stuck in a “forgot how to grow” regime since 2022, and that the key question is whether today’s signals mark a move toward reflation, deeper stagnation, or a more defensive downturn.
He walks through four main indicators. Copper-to-gold has bounced, but he says the move is not convincing once tariff-driven copper distortions and the longer historical context are considered. Interest-rate swap activity and BIS balance-sheet data look more active, but he thinks the rise is more defensive than reflationary. Treasury yields also spiked in September, yet he attributes much of that move to seasonal “September effects” and says the flat yield curve still points away from growth or inflation.
The most serious warning comes from credit. High-yield triple-C spreads near 1300 basis points look like a real pivot point, but he says the key test is whether stress broadens into investment grade credit and equities. Overall, George Gam sees the portfolio challenge as staying alert to regime shifts without trying to pinpoint the exact timing of the next recession.
Key takeaways
- George Gam says the market is still in a “forgot how to grow” regime, with the main question being reflation versus a deeper defensive turn.
- He treats the copper-to-gold rebound as inconclusive because tariff-driven copper inventory distortions may be creating a false signal.
- He argues that higher swap usage may reflect defensive dealer balance-sheet response rather than genuine reflation.
- George Gam says the September Treasury selloff was amplified by seasonal effects, not a clean inflation or growth signal.
- He sees triple-C spreads around 1300 basis points as the clearest potential downside pivot, especially if stress spreads into investment grade credit and equities.
Notable quotes
“what we're focusing on here u macroeconomic analysis whether anybody admits it or not whether whether anybody talks about it or not all macro analysis is about finding pivot points and regime changes”
“we've been in a recession since 2022. Just look at the chart in front of you here with payrolls”
“1300 basis points is potentially a pivot point for the downside in the credit cycle because it is a relatively rare occurrence”
How the episode opens
You are live.
Okay, good evening everybody. Happy Thursday. Happy early Halloween.
We got Halloween coming up. This is actually going to be a third webinar in our series which began back in what was at the end of June. In June, we talked about why Euro Dollar University is different and why economists do what they do.
Why does central bankers talk about CPI rather than say money supply even though money circulation is more important and therefore why we rely on why we focus on these esoteric curves as George Gam likes to call them. And then the second webinar in a series which was held in August. And by the way, these are both available on YouTube if you want to go back and get uh the full picture of what we're talking about here.
I will do a little bit of review before we get into what we're going to get into. The second webinar in our series was about how to adapt that framework to a portfolio management investment type of environment. And the third webinar we're doing that's today is we're going to look at some analytical we're going to put our analytical test and our anal analytical framework to the test.
We're going to take apart four key signals that we're seeing today right now that suggests we need to pay closer attention to a couple things and I'll get into all that as we go forward here. Um, but there's really I think uh I think people understand that um with with everything that's going on in competing forces. There's a lot of confusing information out there.
Now it's as critical as ever to have a clear understanding of what the market signals are and what those market signals are telling us.
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Topics
- new economic era
- portfolio allocation
- market timing
- central bank inflation data
- market signals
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