Episode summary
Back to December (Ep. 164)
Facts vs Feelings
· · Hosts: Ryan Detrick, Sonu Varghese
Summary
The hosts argued that the late-November selloff was a sentiment washout rather than the start of a bear phase, and that the rebound confirmed the market remains in a strong year-end trend. They pointed to the S&P 500’s sharp five-day surge, seven straight monthly gains, and a widening advance-decline line as evidence that the rally is broadening beyond mega-cap technology. Sector performance reinforced that view: technology lagged, but healthcare, materials, financials, staples, and energy helped keep the index near flat for November.
A major part of the episode focused on the Fed. The hosts said December rate-cut odds fell below 30% before jumping back above 80% after weaker labor data, John Williams’ dovish comments, and the Beige Book’s softer employment tone. They expect the Fed to cut again in December and see that as part of a longer easing cycle into 2026. Looking ahead, they argued the most plausible setup is reflationary growth rather than recession or stagflation, supported by commodities, easier policy, and continued AI-related capital spending. They also warned that a more divided Fed could raise volatility next year.
Key takeaways
- The hosts said the S&P 500’s new highs in the advance-decline line show breadth is improving beyond the biggest tech names.
- Ryan Detrick said December is historically the strongest month and is higher 73% of the time, with especially strong odds in the first year of a presidential cycle.
- Sonu Varghese said December cut odds swung from below 30% to above 80% after unemployment rose, John Williams signaled room for easing, and the Beige Book showed weaker labor demand.
- The hosts argued November showed why diversification matters: technology fell about 5%, but healthcare, materials, financials, staples, and energy offset the decline.
- Varghese said 2026 looks more like reflationary growth than recession, with commodities and Fed easing supporting equities and gold.
- The hosts said AI spending is still early enough that competitive pressure could keep capital expenditures elevated into 2026.
Notable quotes
“December is the most likely month to be higher 73% of the time”
“I think we get reflationary growth a little bit”
“just because this wave has gone for a while, doesn't mean it's over”
How the episode opens
Welcome to the Facts Versus Feelings podcast. I'm your host Ryan Dietrich and I'm joined by my co-host Sonu Vargis. Cutting through the noise in 30 minutes each week with Ryan Dietrich, chief market strategist and Sona Vargis, VP global macro strategist.
Taking out the boring and helping investors focus on what really matters. A quick note before we start the show. Investment advisory services offered through CWM LLC, an SEC registered investment adviser.
Carson Partners, a division of CWM LLC, is a nationwide partnership of adviserss. And we are back. Hi everybody.
Welcome to latest Carson's facts versus feelings. Ryan and Sonu here. Sonu, this is episode 164, Back to December.
Son, wake up. Wake up. Are you asleep on me?
Not with all the technical difficulties we had for the last half hour. I'm definitely awake now. If I was That was just to keep you up.
Yeah, I know. See if I'm on the up and up. But no, I I I've been up since 3:30 in the morning.
So, after spending 10 days in the Middle East, by the way, I did get to swim right next to the straits of Hormuz. How about that? In near the Persian Gulf, we went snorkeling.
We saw some turtles, some sharks, some small sharks. I mean, you know. So, yes, I can actually say I was swimming in the Gulf there.
So, and that was a big deal. I mean, this is terrible. I remember hearing a lot about that.
Why was that a big deal earlier this year? Was that some trade going on? The whole kurfuffle with Iran and that's what it was.
That That's what it was. And here I was, you know, snorkeling gorgeous waters, I should say. And my kids are a little worried about snorkeling.
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Topics
- fed rate-cut expectations
- market breadth
- sector rotation
- reflationary growth outlook
- ai capex
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