Episode summary
Talking With the Best Portfolio Manager We Know (Ep. 142)
Facts vs Feelings
· · 53 min · Hosts: Ryan Detrick, Sonu Varghese · Guests: Barry Gilbert
Summary
Barry Gilbert argues that strong portfolio management starts with a clear foundation: own the long-term risk premiums from stocks and bonds, then add smaller bets only when they truly improve the portfolio. He says Carson’s process is built on constructive debate, not committee averaging, because averaging every smart person’s view just produces a market-like outcome. The team’s priority is to think forward, keep things simple, and make decisive choices that still leave room for uncertainty.
The conversation then turns to how Carson positioned portfolios through the first half of 2025. Barry says the strategic allocation stayed overweight equities, while the tactical book adjusted exposures as conditions changed: small and midcaps were cut back as higher-for-longer rates looked more likely, international was moved back to neutral, and gold and commodities were used as diversifiers. The team also discussed using return stacking to add exposure without giving up core equity exposure.
Barry also says Bitcoin can be useful only if it fits the portfolio’s risk budget and trading realities. Because it is still extremely volatile, he prefers implementing it through a structure that preserves the rest of the model, rather than funding it by selling core exposures. Overall, the episode presents 2025 as a year where the team stayed bullish, but relied on diversification and disciplined implementation rather than chasing every hot trade.
Key takeaways
- Barry Gilbert says Carson’s edge comes from constructive debate and “hunting for the answer,” not from averaging committee views.
- Barry says the strategic portfolio stayed overweight equities, while tactical risk was trimmed in small and midcaps as higher rates persisted.
- Barry says Carson moved international exposure back to neutral, with a 30% international / 70% U.S. benchmark split.
- Sonu Varghese says the firm added gold and reduced broad commodity exposure to diversify the diversifiers.
- Barry says Bitcoin is only worth adding if it fits the portfolio’s risk and trading constraints, given its very high volatility.
Notable quotes
“we're managing real money. We have to get someplace”
“If you just looked at that endpoint number and said, okay, that's the only thing that you you knew about the year”
“we are not afraid to take big swings when we think that the opportunities are there”
“diversifying your diversifiers”
“what matters is can we put it in the portfolio should we put it in the portfolio”
How the episode opens
Welcome to the Facts Versus Feelings podcast. I'm your host Ryan Dietrich and I'm joined by my co-host Sonu Vargis. Cutting through the noise in 30 minutes each week with Ryan Dietrich, chief market strategist and Sona Vargis, VP global macro strategist.
Taking out the boring and helping investors focus on what really matters. A quick note before we start the show. Investment advisory services offered through CWM LLC, an SEC registered investment advisor.
Carson Partners, a division of CWM LLC, is a nationwide partnership of adviserss. Everyone, you're going to love this week's facts versus feelings. We're joined by Barry Gilbert on our team.
We're just doing a brief intro. Sona, we did record this before July 4th. What are you doing for July 4th?
I'm going to the beach. There you go. Chicago actually has work on that tan, are you?
Yes, exactly. That's all I need. And LA, no going to be at the beach.
It's funny. Every time we go to the beach, by the time you're done, I'm like, I'm so tired. And you know, and the the kids just bring a ton of sand back into the car.
So, it's, you know, I'm bracing myself all that, but while you're at the beach, it's kind of nice. What about you? That sounds good.
We We lived in Charlotte for a long time, so we're going to go down there. We always stay with our friends down there for the weeks. That should be uh should be fun.
Going to do a real quick crash course, though, on July. You're going to hear a lot about this everybody. We'll share the chart on the YouTube channel right now.
July Sonu's been higher for the S&P 500. You ready for this? 10 years in a row.
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Topics
- july market trends
- asset allocation
- portfolio management philosophy
- risk and volatility
- investor psychology
Companies and tickers mentioned
- Carson Group
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