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The Bond Market Is Pricing In Something Worse Than Inflation | Weekly Roundup
Forward Guidance
· · Hosts: Felix, Quinn
Summary
Bonds rallied hard even after hot CPI and PPI, and the hosts argued the move was driven less by clean inflation math than by a messy mix of positioning, Fed speak, and cracks in the AI funding trade. The guest said October hike odds had fallen sharply after Fed officials talked the market off the hike path, making the inflation surprise less important than it would have been a few weeks earlier.
A central theme was that the AI boom has become a major support for both economic growth and capital demand, so any slowdown in that trade can ripple through data centers, semis, credit spreads, and ultimately the broader economy. The guest argued that if AI financing tightens, it can reduce debt supply pressure and help rates rally, even as it weakens a key growth engine.
They also framed the Russell’s long losing streak, weak regional banks, housing, and small caps as signs of a fragile, two-speed market. The discussion leaned bearish on equity durability but more cautious than outright panic on bonds, with the guest saying the top in yields may be in even if a clean 4% move is not immediate.
Key takeaways
- The guest said October hike odds fell from about 70% to roughly 25%-30% after Fed speakers pushed the market away from tightening.
- Hot CPI and PPI did not stop bonds from rallying because the market was also pricing in cracks in the AI growth and financing trade.
- The guest thinks the AI trade is the main marginal source of debt demand, so a slowdown there could relieve rate pressure while hurting growth.
- The hosts argued the Russell’s long losing streak and broad weakness in housing, regional banks, and small caps show a fragile real economy under the surface.
- The guest said the top in yields is probably in cyclically, but he does not expect an immediate move to a 4% 10-year.
Notable quotes
“two weeks ago two to three weeks ago uh the chance of an October hike was 70%”
“the market was very clearly off sides for um which was strange to me with oil pressing you know into the upper bounds of its range”
“the AI trade booming keeping the economy hot hot hot while everything else isn't that is the number one source of demand for debt capital in the market right Now”
“I generally think the top and yield cyclically is in like I generally think that”
How the episode opens
Nothing said on Ford guidance is a recommendation to buy or sell any investments or products. All right, everybody. Welcome back to another roundup edition of Forward Guidance.
Back to one of the classic episodes after a busy few weeks. We've had some recent guest episodes join us, which has been a ton of fun. Then I was out across the world for a week for our DS Asia in Singapore, which was a great time.
But we're back. There's a ton to talk about in Marcus. So, it's it's good to just have a little bit of a catchup episode here.
Quinn, what's going on, man?
Yeah, not much. I uh It's funny in Miami, it's the weather starts to get really really solid. The humidity cracks come come this time after September.
And it's like raining every day still in September. And I felt it was such a good post summer, you know, recharge the batteries. And it kind of coincided with the amount of activity.
I think I in the markets and I wrote the other like last week I was like, I think things are going to start start to be more active from here on out in the rest of year. And yeah, this week was no no shortage of of things to do.
Yeah, it feels like volatility is finally starting to to come off and uh get exciting again. So for sure lots lots to talk about. Um, before we do, quick little shill hit here, but uh, we have our second conference in two months, which is kind of insane to think about for our events team is how how crack they are. But we're we're doing the D London November 10th and 11th. Uh, we're both going to be there.
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Topics
- ai trade
- bond rally
- fed hike odds
- growth slowdown
- yield outlook
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