Episode summary
CIO Hall of Famer John Skjervem on 'Fiduciary True North,' Doubling AUM & the Truman Show Fund
Summary
John Skjervem argues that the best CIO work starts with “fiduciary true north”: a sole focus on beneficiaries or clients, then the discipline to align culture, systems, and governance around that mission. He points to three major career chapters as proof: introducing open architecture and then goals-based, liability-aware investing at Northern Trust; overhauling Oregon’s aging infrastructure and investment processes; and, in Utah, largely preserving a strong program rather than forcing unnecessary change.
Across those roles, he says the real variable is not just market skill but the operating model. Oregon needed aggressive growth because it was around 80% funded, while Utah, at 97% funded, should emphasize defense and avoid taking reckless risk. He repeatedly contrasts leadership with management, saying leaders must choose the distant shore, build trust, and then row the organization there.
He is also sharply critical of public pension governance when it creates “fishbowl” decision-making, slow approvals, and time-horizon mismatches between elected officials and long-term beneficiaries. His view is that governance ultimately dominates outcomes, and that many public funds would improve more by delegating authority, modernizing systems, and matching strategy to their specific liabilities than by chasing a supposed market “elixir.”
Key takeaways
- John Skjervem says fiduciary true north means a sole and exclusive focus on clients or beneficiaries, not building a personal brand.
- He argues governance is the ultimate governor on outcomes, and even the smartest CIO can be constrained by a weak board structure.
- He says Oregon required an offensive posture because it was around 80% funded, while Utah at 97% funded should play defense and avoid unnecessary risk.
- At Northern Trust, he says open architecture and then goals-based investing expanded the solution set beyond stock picking and made client outcomes more consistent.
- He says the easiest systemic fix in public funds is to delegate more authority instead of forcing every manager decision into public board meetings.
Notable quotes
“I can think of three and they all have one thing in common and that is aligning the organization, aligning its culture and all the requisite resources behind what I call fiduciary true north”
“I think governance ultimately prevails. So I think you can be the smartest and the best and if you're stuck in a bad governance structure, I think your opportunity and probability of success is very low”
“So I believe that management and leadership are two distinctly different disciplines and yet they're often conflated and so again I think they're totally different”
“Oregon was all about putting points on the board. And it was super fun. It's super fun to be Pat Mahomes”
“Here it's the dominating defense of Ray Lewis and the 2001 Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens where they didn't put up a lot of points game to game, but they suffocated their opponents”
How the episode opens
Hi, I'm Christine Jordano, editor of Markets Group. My next guest is John Shervin. Now, John has been nominated multiple times for the CIO Hall of Fame award, and we will be inducting him into the CIO Hall of Fame July 14th, 2026 in Utah at our national retreat.
Now, part of this award is that CIOS across the country have to mention exactly what they respect about another CIO. And for him, it's his intelligence, his innovations, his willingness to be a contrarian when it counts. He's made strong changes and he's built community.
According to one, he's super smart, innovative, and willing to be contrarian. And he reaches out to people and really builds strength in our community while setting a good example for others to follow. Now, John Shervin is the chief investment officer of the $67 billion Utah retirement system, and he's also been CEO of Allen Biller and Associates, overseeing $131 billion of institutional advisory practice.
He served as CIO for Oregon State Treasury, managing 111 billion when he left, but in 2012, it was only 66 billion. and he saw that growth and he led it towards innovation. He's held leadership roles at Northern Trust including becoming CIO for its 180 billion wealth management division.
He's advisory for Alaska permanent fund currently and he also advises the retirement board of Idaho public employee retirement systems. He's vice chair at E Foundation's investment committee. And he's also a member of both the Milin Institutees Global Capital Markets Advisory Committee and the Investor Advisory Group at the International Sustainability Standards Board.
He holds a CFA, a BA in economics from UC Santa Barbara, and an MBA from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. Now, for the purpose of this interview, we will look back over his career and we will also dissect the philosophies of why he decided to do what he did when he did as well as his perception of the industry at large.
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Topics
- fiduciary true north
- investment governance
- aum growth
- state retirement systems
- cio leadership
Companies and tickers mentioned
- NTRS
- Northern Trust
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